Drunk for a reason

Dopple

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I know it is written many times to not mix the booze and the game but hear me out:

I have had some very good games playing fairly drunk and you can really get away with stacking the greens high when you are on a good streak and the jolly drunk. I provides great cover in my opinion and allows you to get away with alot as far as the pit goes and this is my main concern. You can also make the whole table happen when you make some great calls at third or second base.

I am taking a few days and a grand I can afford to lose. I dont expect to start off drinking but if I get up a hundred or so and the mood hits me I am going to drink all I want.
 

mjbballar23

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Dopple said:
I know it is written many times to not mix the booze and the game but hear me out:

I have had some very good games playing fairly drunk and you can really get away with stacking the greens high when you are on a good streak and the jolly drunk. I provides great cover in my opinion and allows you to get away with alot as far as the pit goes and this is my main concern. You can also make the whole table happen when you make some great calls at third or second base.

I am taking a few days and a grand I can afford to lose. I dont expect to start off drinking but if I get up a hundred or so and the mood hits me I am going to drink all I want.
I feel ya on that one but just make sure you are VERY disciplined before you start drinking at the tables. Frustration and alcohol can kick in and before you know it, you're all in off the top of the shoe. Ken Uston used to drink heavily at the tables i believe.
 

jimbiggs

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It might be more prudent to give the appearance of being drunk without really being drunk. There is a lot to remember in this game and your mind would probably work better without so much alcohol.
 

InPlay

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jimbiggs said:
It might be more prudent to give the appearance of being drunk without really being drunk. There is a lot to remember in this game and your mind would probably work better without so much alcohol.
This will help improve your game if you think its prudent.

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Dyepaintball12

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jimbiggs said:
It might be more prudent to give the appearance of being drunk without really being drunk. There is a lot to remember in this game and your mind would probably work better without so much alcohol.
Agreed.
 

shadroch

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If you have a $1,000 BR and plan to play for a few days,you will be playing at stakes that require no cover.
 

Dopple

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I was backed off the Peppermill in Reno betting 5-50 and also the Bonanza in Las Vegas.

I think a good compromise would be to at least have a few beers as the no drinking at all can tend to stand out.
 

shadroch

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Where is the Bonanza in vegas?
Spreading to $50 with a grand as your BR is pushing it. A split and a DD would cripple you on a $50 bet.
 

Dopple

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Right by Sams club as I remember. Was it the Ponderosa? I will check.

Yes maybe I did overbet for my roll.
 

shadroch

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Longhorn,maybe? I'm not familiar with any Ponderosa or Bonanza,but I can't say I know every small joint in town.
Longhorn is a fun place to play,but they don't appreciate you taking their money.
 

Dopple

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I just goggled it and yes it was the Longhorn, real uptight pit boss there. This was about 8 years ago.
 

Sonny

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Dopple said:
I was backed off the Peppermill in Reno betting 5-50 and also the Bonanza in Las Vegas.

I think a good compromise would be to at least have a few beers as the no drinking at all can tend to stand out.
Here’s a better plan:

-Don’t play at places that sweat a $5 player. That way you can play a strong game without using any costly cover. If you’re playing with nickels then you can’t afford to use cover anyway. If you don't want to stick out, go to places that will ignore you.

-If you absolutely need to use cover, try playing a stronger game with a smaller spread. A 1-10 spread in a SD game is going to get heat no matter what. Try using a 1-6 spread and learn more indices, use more precise TC conversions, sit out a few negative hands, play faster, be alert for sloppy dealers (mistakes are easy to use to your advantage) or other things like that.

-Wong around a bit more. This is very powerful in shoe games and it can be used quite well in pitch games too. Not only does it increase your advantage but it also makes your sobriety seem less suspicious. You can Wong around for hours with the same drink in your hand, and it doesn't even have to be alcoholic. Most people assume that any drink with soda has a shot of liquor in it.

There’s nothing wrong with having a few beers while you play, but don’t be fooled into thinking that it doesn’t affect your game. Any impairment, no matter how slight, is going to cause you to make mistakes or miss opportunities that you could have used to your advantage if you were more sober. Maybe you could have caught the burn card if you were paying closer attention, or seen that what next card in the deck is when the dealer almost drew to a hard 18 (it happens more than you would imagine with super-fast dealers). Maybe your TC conversions would have been faster and more accurate.

-Sonny-
 
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Sonny said:
Here’s a better plan:

-Don’t play at places that sweat a $5 player. That way you can play a strong game without using any costly cover. If you’re playing with nickels then you can’t afford to use cover anyway. If you don't want to stick out, go to places that will ignore you.

-If you absolutely need to use cover, try playing a stronger game with a smaller spread. A 1-10 spread in a SD game is going to get heat no matter what. Try using a 1-6 spread and learn more indices, use more precise TC conversions, sit out a few negative hands, play faster, be alert for sloppy dealers (mistakes are easy to use to your advantage) or other things like that.
It's very, very hard to make a 1-6 spread perform like a 1-10 one, no matter how many indices you use. SD is a very special game, and in my experience your EV is going to depend on two things:

1) RO7 (or better!) pen. There is no substitute.
2) Avoiding crowds, so that you can always get 2 and only 2 hands in the game. This is just as hard as finding RO7.

Get these, and you can make money hand over fist with a 1-4 spread, and as long as you are not bumping against table limits you can get down an even bigger effective spread with betting cover. My favorite spread for SD involves playing one type of progression in high counts and a different type of progression in low counts. Together they equal... a generous spread! But a person who isn't analyzing very carefully is going to just see progression betting.


Sonny said:
-Wong around a bit more. This is very powerful in shoe games and it can be used quite well in pitch games too. Not only does it increase your advantage but it also makes your sobriety seem less suspicious. You can Wong around for hours with the same drink in your hand, and it doesn't even have to be alcoholic. Most people assume that any drink with soda has a shot of liquor in it.

There’s nothing wrong with having a few beers while you play, but don’t be fooled into thinking that it doesn’t affect your game. Any impairment, no matter how slight, is going to cause you to make mistakes or miss opportunities that you could have used to your advantage if you were more sober. Maybe you could have caught the burn card if you were paying closer attention, or seen that what next card in the deck is when the dealer almost drew to a hard 18 (it happens more than you would imagine with super-fast dealers). Maybe your TC conversions would have been faster and more accurate.

-Sonny-
Alcohol is such an individual thing. I drink a triple Grey Goose martini every night anyway, it would make me feel off-balance to not have such a thing while playing! Fortunately I'm one of those people that alcohol does not affect my emotions at all, just my sensations, and feeling dizzy or woozy is a lot less of a risk at the table than if you feel lucky, or brave, or depressed or desperate when you drink.

(Funny story from the table this week: an Arab guy is playing at my table, and he starts chanting in Arabic. Me: "Are you praying?" He:"No, I'm high." He played like it too! :laugh: )

Fatigue is something I watch out for even more, because you can keep track of how much you've had to drink, but it's a lot harder to judge how tired you are, and fatigue will affect my emotions. It also makes my vision go to hell, especially in smoky casinos. So I make it a point to always get my sleep in on BJ trips, whether I think I need it or not. My general rule of thumb for alcohol, fatigue, or any other state I might be in is that if I wouldn't want to drive this way, I shouldn't be playing this way (and vice versa.) Time to take a break, get something to eat, or call it a day.
 

EasyRhino

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Oh man, if you could play while genuinely ****-faced, it would be a huge advantage. it would also be fun (as long as the drinks are free, otherwise too expensive). But you'd really have to be able to play while drunk. This is unlikely. Although Ken Uston did write about this "Rambo" fellow in one of his books, so it's not impossible.

I'm kind of a lightweight, boozewize. One time in Vegas, early in the morning, on a empty stomach, I ended up ordring two Vodka/Red Bulls in quick succession. After about 20 minutes, I was buzzed and my heart was pounding, I was basically freaking out. And all the while I was trying to maintain the running count telling myself "I can't do this! C'mon man just hold it together a little longer! Ooh that cocktail waitress is hot! Wait what was that last hand? ****!".
 
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