Exit Strategy

[Mikeaber]

KO Preferred. 6-deck 75%+ pen. 1:10 spread.

Combined with the exit strategy of
-22 after 1 deck
-17 after 2 decks
-12 after 3 decks
-- play it out after 4 decks

Using this strategy, is the recommended spread still 1:20?
If it is 1:20 then how do you ramp? There are 9 counts between -4 and +4 which fits a 1:10 spread but for 1:20, you would either have to "jump" units along the way or open the -4/+4 margin to get to 1:20.

 

[shadroch]

Damn,I thought this was going to be about Eye-raq.

 

[supercoolmancool]

KO Preferred. 6-deck 75%+ pen. 1:10 spread.

Combined with the exit strategy of
-22 after 1 deck
-17 after 2 decks
-12 after 3 decks
-- play it out after 4 decks

Using this strategy, is the recommended spread still 1:20?
If it is 1:20 then how do you ramp? There are 9 counts between -4 and +4 which fits a 1:10 spread but for 1:20, you would either have to "jump" units along the way or open the -4/+4 margin to get to 1:20.

Just multiply whatever you would normally bet spreading 1-10 by 2.

 

[ScottH]

Using this strategy, is the recommended spread still 1:20?

I don't think you change your ramp because you are wonging out. You usually only alter your spread when wonging in.

 

[Mikeaber]

Just multiply whatever you would normally bet spreading 1-10 by 2.

But, that's still a 1:10 spread. You are just raising the value of your "units".

 

[ScottH]

But, that's still a 1:10 spread. You are just raising the value of your "units".

Dont multiply the minimum bet by 2, then you'll have your 1-20 spread.

 

[ScottH]

Dont multiply the minimum bet by 2, then you'll have your 1-20 spread.

It might be better for you to lower your min bet instead of raising your max bet. Your minimum bet using a 1-20 spread will depend on what your bankroll is. Most likely you will need to lower your min bet to get that 1-20 spread.

Let's say you have been playing with a max bet of 100, and spreading 10-100. You won't be able to increase your max bet without getting a bigger bankroll, so you will instead need to lower the minimin. You could get the 1-20 by spreading, 5-100. But if you just double the bets like supercoolmancool suggested you would be spreading 10-200, which would require double the bankroll.

 

[zengrifter]

KO Preferred. 6-deck 75%+ pen. 1:10 spread.

Combined with the exit strategy of
-22 after 1 deck
-17 after 2 decks
-12 after 3 decks
-- play it out after 4 decks

Using this strategy, is the recommended spread still 1:20?
If it is 1:20 then how do you ramp? There are 9 counts between -4 and +4 which fits a 1:10 spread but for 1:20, you would either have to "jump" units along the way or open the -4/+4 margin to get to 1:20.

This is a question for AutoMonk - is 1-10 spread sufficient for exit wonging? zg

 

[zengrifter]

Just multiply whatever you would normally bet spreading 1-10 by 2.

Your suggestion underscores a typical confusion about calc'ing spread. Spread is calc'd from the top down, not vice-versa. The size of the top bet always remains constant:

min. spread w/top bet: 100

1D: 25-100
2D: 15-100
6D: 05-100
6D: 10-100 (exit wong)
6D: 20-100 (entry wong)

 

[ScottH]

This is a question for AutoMonk - is 1-10 spread sufficient for exit wonging? zg

In the KO book they say you get a .73% advantage spreading 1-10. I don't know what conditions they assumed for that number, but I'm sure they used 75%+ as was stated in Mike's post.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

This is a question for AutoMonk - is 1-10 spread sufficient for exit wonging? zg

Yes. I regularly use 1-8, and have even experimented with 1-4, but 1-4 significantly cuts the win rate. 1-8 does not. Helps if you have good rules and a full table so you get out of there quickly.

 

[zengrifter]

There you have it, Mike. Use your current 1-10 top-bet but feel free to adjust your min bet upwards to achieve 1-8. Step away from the table when the count tanks. zg

 

[mgcasinos]

Yes. I regularly use 1-8, and have even experimented with 1-4, but 1-4 significantly cuts the win rate. 1-8 does not. Helps if you have good rules and a full table so you get out of there quickly.

Why don't you try 1-16 since 1-4 cuts more the win rate than 1-8?

 

[Mikeaber]

Yes. I regularly use 1-8, and have even experimented with 1-4, but 1-4 significantly cuts the win rate. 1-8 does not. Helps if you have good rules and a full table so you get out of there quickly.

"AM" That pretty much nails the situation I'll be playing in. I suspected that rather than "play-all" that "exit strategy" or "Exit Wonging" would impact the KO recommended 1:10 spread though not as much as "Entry Wonging".

But my question was so basic that I think it might have slipped by you guys. With a 1:10 spread, I start raising my bet when I reach -4 with KO. At -3, I bet 3-units and at -2 4-units and so on until I reach +4 (Pivot) with my max bet of 10-units. Perfect fit.

However, If I switch to 1:8 spread or 1:20 spread, at what points do I raise bets and how much to reach my max bet at a +4 count? Or do you keep raising past +4? Or do you start raising prior to -4 counts? Reducing the spread is pretty easy I guess for 1:8....raise at -4 and stay at 2-units through -3 and -2 and then raise again at -1??

The only way I could see immediately to increase the spread to 1:20 would be to play two 1:10 spread hands.

I guess I need to read more carefully that chapter on Ramping and on Kelly betting in KO. I think I saw something in the BJA about how Schlegsinger changed his method of ramping but I haven't had time to really digest that encyclopedia!

 

[zengrifter]

Why don't you try 1-16 since 1-4 cuts more the win rate than 1-8?

Ken - BAN this idiot! zg

 

[Mikeaber]

Ken - BAN this idiot! zg

There are times that I wish that this section could be restricted to serious players. Maybe a monthly charge for access? I'd be willing to pay for access!

There is a difference in someone making a inquiry in an attempt to become educated in a process and quite another for someone to "offer" advice that is totally unfounded.

Another thought...Ken, is there a way to restrict access to individual sections of the forum without completely blackballing someone? You know, show the Counting forum as "restricted" but require an administrator to grant access? Might even be a "read-only" access to non-authorized posters.

 

[zengrifter]

This guy is promoting his bullsh*t website. zg

 

[zengrifter]

Ken, is there a way to restrict access to individual sections of the forum without completely blackballing someone? You know, show the Counting forum as "restricted" but require an administrator to grant access? Might even be a "read-only" access to non-authorized posters.

I don't think thats necessary. Just needs a few more users that have moderator status. zg

 

[Mikeaber]

I agree but we'd have to be careful as moderators NOT to kill access without good reason. There have been at least three instances I can recall for which restricting access to the forum was undoutedly justifiable!

I can overlook statements submitted by someone who is sincere though mistaken when that poster is willing to learn from his mistakes. I have trouble overlooking someone intentionally giving bad advice or who is obviously uninformed yet giving advice anyway! That just clutters up a powerful resource we have here for reference and I place a lot of value on that resource!

So, in the spirit of this topic (Exit Strategy) I too would as soon see this MGCASINOs 86'd. I've seen nothing so far that would indicated he has any business offering advice to any player in this category.

 

[zengrifter]

So, in the spirit of this topic (Exit Strategy) I too would as soon see this MGCASINOs 86'd. I've seen nothing so far that would indicated he has any business offering advice to any player in this category.

He removed his mgcasinos.com signature after I blasted him. zg