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aslan

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sagefr0g said:
geesh! :) :laugh:

but i do like pondering over stuff that happens in nature and how that might relate to advantage stuff.:rolleyes:
Sort of like time travel--you have to think outside the clocks. :grin::whip:

But seriously, nature holds many secrets and we have just begun to scratch the surface.
 

daddybo

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you can't travel in time because different forms of energy move at different speeds, so by definition at any point in time the energies displaced at the same time would be in different places or completely dispersed in the future. Think sound, light, heat, etc. :)
 

aslan

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daddybo said:
you can't travel in time because different forms of energy move at different speeds, so by definition at any point in time the energies displaced at the same time would be in different places or completely dispersed in the future. Think sound, light, heat, etc. :)
That was tomorrow. Yesterday, that all will change. :cool:
 

daddybo

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I have to ask Aslan ... what happened June 15, 2010? Never mind, I figured it out. Sorry.:sad:
 

SleightOfHand

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daddybo said:
you can't travel in time because different forms of energy move at different speeds, so by definition at any point in time the energies displaced at the same time would be in different places or completely dispersed in the future. Think sound, light, heat, etc. :)
Why is that a problem? I admit that I am a little understudied in time travel, and what kind of theories there are for how to implement it, but I would think that when moving through time, the speeds would still be moving at those relative speeds. If light moves at speed x, sound at y, and heat at z, then when moving backwards in time at a rate equal to the opposite of the current rate of time, then light, sound, and heat would just be moving at -x, -y, and -z, respectively. Doesn't seem like a huge problem, although I could easily be missing something.
 

daddybo

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Well.. I'm no expert on time travel.. (I only try it occasionally:)). I look at it like this... say you see someone clap their hands from 200 yards away. You will see it within milliseconds of the event, but it will be more than 1/2 second before you hear it. So in effect if you jump backwards in time .25 seconds, you will hear the sound but you will not see the action (clap) because of the speed difference in light and sound. the clap would have already happened and you would hear it, but the light (vision) of the event would have already passed you by and you would never see it. Also the energy to produce sound (and I suspect light.. although I believe that goes against current belief) will dissipate over distance and cease to exist as the sound.

Now if light does exist eternally (which I doubt) you could possibly travel fast enough to see light that was reflected in the past, but not in the future. ( we do see light from distance stars.... so it is admittedly robust) But light as we see it on Earth is usually absorbed into the everyday environment.

The only way you could effectively travel into the future would be if all things are predestined to occur and existed on a timeline you could move up and down. But then you would have to believe in God.
 

MAZ

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The only way you could effectively travel into the future would be if all things are predestined to occur and existed on a timeline you could move up and down. But then you would have to believe in God.
Not true D bo, I have seen time travel done. All you need is a phone booth and a righteous dude named Rufus to guide you.
 

aslan

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daddybo said:
Well.. I'm no expert on time travel.. (I only try it occasionally:)). I look at it like this... say you see someone clap their hands from 200 yards away. You will see it within milliseconds of the event, but it will be more than 1/2 second before you hear it. So in effect if you jump backwards in time .25 seconds, you will hear the sound but you will not see the action (clap) because of the speed difference in light and sound. the clap would have already happened and you would hear it, but the light (vision) of the event would have already passed you by and you would never see it. Also the energy to produce sound (and I suspect light.. although I believe that goes against current belief) will dissipate over distance and cease to exist as the sound.

Now if light does exist eternally (which I doubt) you could possibly travel fast enough to see light that was reflected in the past, but not in the future. ( we do see light from distance stars.... so it is admittedly robust) But light as we see it on Earth is usually absorbed into the everyday environment.

The only way you could effectively travel into the future would be if all things are predestined to occur and existed on a timeline you could move up and down. But then you would have to believe in God.
You seem to be a man of faith. Many men of faith believe that God is infinite and therefore exists outside of time. Few men of faith consider God to be "energy;" that would be more of a scientist's description of God, if they were willing to cede His existence. What I am suggesting is that your energy proofs do not necessarily apply, since all "that is" may not be reducible to some form of energy, including our possible future existence after death.
 

MAZ

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aslan said:
You seem to be a man of faith. Many men of faith believe that God is infinite and therefore exists outside of time. Few men of faith consider God to be "energy;" that would be more of a scientist's description of God, if they were willing to cede His existence. What I am suggesting is that your energy proofs do not necessarily apply, since all "that is" may not be reducible to some form of energy, including our possible future existence after death.
Please somebody ban him, this post is very offensive. ;)
 

daddybo

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MAZ said:
Not true D bo, I have seen time travel done. All you need is a phone booth and a righteous dude named Rufus to guide you.
Damn! I found a righteous dude named Rufus... Where the hell can I find a Phone Booth?
 

MAZ

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daddybo said:
Damn! I found a righteous dude named Rufus... Where the hell can I find a Phone Booth?
Ahhhh..........there in lies the irony, you need to travel back in time to be able to time travel :confused:
 

blackjack avenger

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Time is Relative

daddybo said:
Well.. I'm no expert on time travel.. (I only try it occasionally:)). I look at it like this... say you see someone clap their hands from 200 yards away. You will see it within milliseconds of the event, but it will be more than 1/2 second before you hear it. So in effect if you jump backwards in time .25 seconds, you will hear the sound but you will not see the action (clap) because of the speed difference in light and sound. the clap would have already happened and you would hear it, but the light (vision) of the event would have already passed you by and you would never see it. Also the energy to produce sound (and I suspect light.. although I believe that goes against current belief) will dissipate over distance and cease to exist as the sound.

Now if light does exist eternally (which I doubt) you could possibly travel fast enough to see light that was reflected in the past, but not in the future. ( we do see light from distance stars.... so it is admittedly robust) But light as we see it on Earth is usually absorbed into the everyday environment.

The only way you could effectively travel into the future would be if all things are predestined to occur and existed on a timeline you could move up and down. But then you would have to believe in God.
Gravity effects time, the closer you are to a planet the faster time moves. The clocks in orbit around the earth have to be adjusted for this difference.
 

daddybo

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aslan said:
You seem to be a man of faith. Many men of faith believe that God is infinite and therefore exists outside of time. Few men of faith consider God to be "energy;" that would be more of a scientist's description of God, if they were willing to cede His existence. What I am suggesting is that your energy proofs do not necessarily apply, since all "that is" may not be reducible to some form of energy, including our possible future existence after death.
Time is merely a means by which to measure. How can you travel in a unit of measure? It is also relative to our galactic location. Merely a "yardstick" to see how far we have traveled in our existence. It has nothing to do with the existence of God or an afterlife.
 

daddybo

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blackjack avenger said:
Gravity effects time, the closer you are to a planet the faster time moves. The clocks in orbit around the earth have to be adjusted for this difference.
No, Gravity effects how we measure time. Not time itself.
 

MAZ

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daddybo said:
No, Gravity effects how we measure time. Not time itself.
Damn Dbo now you really ruined my plan to convince thousands of aging nagging women to be rocketed into space to regain their youth!!!
 

aslan

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daddybo said:
Time is merely a means by which to measure. How can you travel in a unit of measure? It is also relative to our galactic location. Merely a "yardstick" to see how far we have traveled in our existence. It has nothing to do with the existence of God or an afterlife.
If you were to go back in time you would realize what I mean.
 

aslan

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MAZ said:
Please somebody ban him, this post is very offensive. ;)
Sorry. I posted it years in the future; someone must have brought it back. BTW, doesn't that prove that time travel exists?
 
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