Friends who work in the sky

aslan

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I have two good friends who work in the sky at two different strip casinos in LV. Our friendships go way back, long before I learned to count cards. Do you think it would ever be wise to bring up the subject of BJ monitoring practices and procedures? I do think that there is something to be learned from such a discussion.
 

Dyepaintball12

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I think it would be fine. You could just say you saw something about it on tv or something and was wondering how they do it in their casino.

BTW, i think its nice how you quote yourself in your sig. ;)
 

EasyRhino

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Sure, I'd ask them. However, if you're tight with them, you might want to not play on their shift, or even at their casino.
 

ihate17

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A very good point

EasyRhino said:
Sure, I'd ask them. However, if you're tight with them, you might want to not play on their shift, or even at their casino.
I have many family members who either work or have worked for casinos. One presently is a casino manager and another a table game manager. At family functions the subject of blackjack often comes up and they all know that I hole card and count. The fact that they know that I never will play blackjack at a casino where they work, never embarass them and never put them in a situation where my actions might effect the future of their jobs, has lead them to speak very openly about things and I have picked up a few great tidbits along the way.
Information you gain from your friends might be useful, even useful at other casinos. If you consider them friends then you do not want to hurt them.

ihate17
 

shadroch

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If anyone is ever in Laughlin,there is an extremely disgruntled former sky guy that is now a bartender on the overnite shift in the bar directly across from The Edgewater.He is very informative if you catch him on the right night.
 
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zengrifter

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aslan said:
I have two good friends who work in the sky at two different strip casinos in LV. Our friendships go way back, long before I learned to count cards. Do you think it would ever be wise to bring up the subject of BJ monitoring practices and procedures? I do think that there is something to be learned from such a discussion.
Absolutely. (If they really are your friends) zg
 

Craps Master

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You should definitely get information out of them. Furthermore, you could even make an arrangement to kick them down a percentage of your action if you play during their shifts. You could also ask them for flyers and the like. This is a good resource; you should make the most of it.
 

xxrenegadexx

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Craps Master said:
You should definitely get information out of them. Furthermore, you could even make an arrangement to kick them down a percentage of your action if you play during their shifts. You could also ask them for flyers and the like. This is a good resource; you should make the most of it.
I agree 100%........ unless its a family member with the same last name.... or a dealer ........ itll be impossible to find a connection
 

zengrifter

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Craps Master said:
...you could even make an arrangement to kick them down a percentage of your action if you play during their shifts.
I have no problem with the ethics of that, being a convicted racketeer, but that is a seriously dark-gray piece of advice with correspondingly serious potential ramifications. zg
 

aslan

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I must admit I felt a twinge...

zengrifter said:
I have no problem with the ethics of that, being a convicted racketeer, but that is a seriously dark-gray piece of advice with correspondingly serious potential ramifications. zg
...when I read that, but without further explanation, it's hard to make a judgment. A lengthier discussion would be helpful to clarify whether we're talking about a walk on the dark side, or just a friendly tip for some friendly advice. Personally the casinos are not high on my "deserving a square deal" index, however, I do scrupulously avoid anything that might remotely result in jail time.

In the same breath, I must say the casinos, and even the illegal gambling operations across the country, sure give customers a whole lot better run for the money than the various States in their legalized gambling offerings.
 

shadroch

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If you are giving employees a share of your winnings in return for them not doing their jobs,you are conspiring to rob the casinos.That being the case,why not just pull a gun and rob a cashier. You'd have a better chance of success.Casinos are fully insured and their guards won't do much of anything that might jeopardize the patrons.
Discussing various aspects of friends jobs is a no brainer,if they'll do it.
 

ihate17

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Gleem what you can

Take what you can from your friends and use it at their casino if you wish and if you think no one can connect you and your friends. Better to use it on a different shift or even at a different casino.
Once you offer them a bit of your winnings, you have made them a partner, you are playing with the help, and both you and them are subject to criminal charges.
If you guys are really friends you would not take this risk. You also are probably not talking about millions of dollars where this risk might be positive EV, so just learn from them and do not even give them any idea that you might use what you learn.

ihate17
 

aslan

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Lighten up!

shadroch said:
If you are giving employees a share of your winnings in return for them not doing their jobs,you are conspiring to rob the casinos.That being the case,why not just pull a gun and rob a cashier. You'd have a better chance of success.Casinos are fully insured and their guards won't do much of anything that might jeopardize the patrons.
Discussing various aspects of friends jobs is a no brainer,if they'll do it.
Now, don't jump to conclusions, Shad. No one said anything about anyone not doing their jobs. Besides being unethical, that would be quite jail-worthy, don't you think?
 

aslan

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shadroch said:
Yes. And that is what Craps Master is suggesting you do.
Who knows? It wouldn't be the first time he's been misconstrued. I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt, since it's obvious he operates from a different vantage point. But from all his commentary on these forums, I never thought he was a crook. Let's wait and see if he weighs in on this.
 

Kasi

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aslan said:
Do you think it would ever be wise to bring up the subject of BJ monitoring practices and procedures? I do think that there is something to be learned from such a discussion.

I'd love to hear about it and agree there certainly would be alot to learn, at least for me.

Have they taken a vow of silence to never discuss their job, even in general terms, or something?

I don't even know that :)

Let alone how'd u profit from a friendly eye in the sky.
 

Craps Master

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It would be illegal to collude with a dealer in a way where he could influence the outcome of the game in any way, and I wouldn't advise that. But to give a friend of yours in surveillance a piece of your action on a legal form of advantage play? That's probably not illegal and, even if it were, it would be virtually impossible to get busted for it. But, even if you don't want to do that, you should definitely pump him for information and try to get copies of flyers and other interesting surveillance and game protection material. That's quite valuable.
 

EasyRhino

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Well, the problem is that you'd be paying the guy to intentionally not do his job (which is, amongst other things, to bust APs). So it could definitely get him fired, and with good reason.

There is the interesting legal question of bribing in order to facilitate a legal act, which is a bit mind-bottling.
 

aslan

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Craps Master said:
It would be illegal to collude with a dealer in a way where he could influence the outcome of the game in any way, and I wouldn't advise that. But to give a friend of yours in surveillance a piece of your action on a legal form of advantage play? That's probably not illegal and, even if it were, it would be virtually impossible to get busted for it. But, even if you don't want to do that, you should definitely pump him for information and try to get copies of flyers and other interesting surveillance and game protection material. That's quite valuable.
Thanks for your reponse, CM. I didn't believe you were advocating any sort of illegal collusion, but for anyone who had doubts, your comment above is crystal clear.
 
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