Fuzzy counting, my ass

[Bojack1]

I find it hard to believe that this "fuzzy counting" technique would be seriously considered as advantage play. Its basically taking a counting concept and putting a voodo spin on it. It seems to me like its just an avalanche of bad counting habits being explained off as a viable way of getting an advantage. If you look at a round of cards and determine there are more high than low cards, then next round say the opposite, is the count neutral? What if this type of thing goes on for 9 or 10 rounds, is there any real possible way you can honestly say what to properly bet in proportion to your advantage? I say no. Its just like making dozens of counting mistakes per shoe and thinking you are making correct decisions. Or worse yet like the ploppy who sees a whole bunch of low cards come out in a round or two and becomes convinced that tens are sure to follow. Counting correctly and accurately will still be succeptable to variance, it doesnt need more negative actions to help it along.

As to the point of it being easy to fuzzy count. I think that there should be nothing fuzzy when it comes to counting as numbers are factual not fuzzy. Making something easy does not always make it better. Besides as I stated earlier, when learned correctly there is nothing hard about counting. Its when you retard the learning process that you will experience the struggle of the concept. I wish I could convey to those that buy into easy alternatives that by forgoing the initial effort needed to master counting, you are turning the rest of your AP career into much more headache and heartache than needed. I swear to anyone reading this, once you get to the point of truly mastering your counting method it will become like fuzzy counting only it will be accurate. There is no reason you won't be able to be able to do many things at once while still keeping count and playing correctly.

Part of becoming a BP on my team entails dealing to the other players during practice. With that you are keeping count, calling out hand totals, examining bets for accuracy while making them yourself to make sure they're correct, making payouts, and holding conversation. None of which could be done if you are not on point with your counting. On the other hand none of this is any real burden either once you get the hang of it. Its just the initial effort that most avoid like the plague because it infringes on their comfort zone. I promise you this though, its a helluva lot better to be uncomfortable while learning then it is to be when your supposed to have already been learned.

 

[sagefr0g]

I find it hard to believe that this "fuzzy counting" technique would be seriously considered as advantage play. Its basically taking a counting concept and putting a voodo spin on it. It seems to me like its just an avalanche of bad counting habits being explained off as a viable way of getting an advantage. If you look at a round of cards and determine there are more high than low cards, then next round say the opposite, is the count neutral? What if this type of thing goes on for 9 or 10 rounds, is there any real possible way you can honestly say what to properly bet in proportion to your advantage? I say no. Its just like making dozens of counting mistakes per shoe and thinking you are making correct decisions. Or worse yet like the ploppy who sees a whole bunch of low cards come out in a round or two and becomes convinced that tens are sure to follow. Counting correctly and accurately will still be succeptable to variance, it doesnt need more negative actions to help it along.

As to the point of it being easy to fuzzy count. I think that there should be nothing fuzzy when it comes to counting as numbers are factual not fuzzy. Making something easy does not always make it better. Besides as I stated earlier, when learned correctly there is nothing hard about counting. Its when you retard the learning process that you will experience the struggle of the concept. I wish I could convey to those that buy into easy alternatives that by forgoing the initial effort needed to master counting, you are turning the rest of your AP career into much more headache and heartache than needed. I swear to anyone reading this, once you get to the point of truly mastering your counting method it will become like fuzzy counting only it will be accurate. There is no reason you won't be able to be able to do many things at once while still keeping count and playing correctly.

Part of becoming a BP on my team entails dealing to the other players during practice. With that you are keeping count, calling out hand totals, examining bets for accuracy while making them yourself to make sure they're correct, making payouts, and holding conversation. None of which could be done if you are not on point with your counting. On the other hand none of this is any real burden either once you get the hang of it. Its just the initial effort that most avoid like the plague because it infringes on their comfort zone. I promise you this though, its a helluva lot better to be uncomfortable while learning then it is to be when your supposed to have already been learned.

you would probably be pretty darned good at it even though you might not accept it.

 

[EasyRhino]

I think that bojack's point is that he doesn't need to be good at it.

Even for a much-less-rigorously practiced person such as myself, once you practice a traditional count a lot, and have experience with it, it really does become a more subconscious activity. Well, maybe subconscious isn't the right term. At any time you can still summon up the actual RC/TC. But the brainpower to keep the count is running totally in the background, so that the impairment on your foreground thinking is basically zero.

 

[sagefr0g]

I think that bojack's point is that he doesn't need to be good at it.

Even for a much-less-rigorously practiced person such as myself, once you practice a traditional count a lot, and have experience with it, it really does become a more subconscious activity. Well, maybe subconscious isn't the right term. At any time you can still summon up the actual RC/TC. But the brainpower to keep the count is running totally in the background, so that the impairment on your foreground thinking is basically zero.

right, this was Bojack's point in an earlier post. where in he believes that orthodox counting can become so easy that the fuzzy approach would even be more difficult and less rewarding.
such has not been my experience. errhh i mean the difficulty level. i can't speak to the rewarding part as it would be merely anectdotal. let me just say that i've been able to maintain an excellent track record with the fuzzy approach using cvbj over multiple trials for which i believe i've exceeded my N0. but perhaps since i'm a senior citizen my two years experience still wasn't enough to afford me the capability that you and Bojack refer. certainly if i were able to attain the ability to count cards with the same ease as i can type, read and comprehend language well sure i would stay on track with it. just doesn't appear to be in the cards for this ole buzzard.