good cover, or stupidity?

[shadroch]

If you are playing red chips in AC, why in the world would you bother with this kind of cover.

ihate17

I guess he's afraid of getting dragged out and thrown into the ocean,like the guy he saw.Getting dragged to the ocean from the Borgata would suck. Its got to be about a mile away.

 

[ihate17]

That's really a drag

I guess he's afraid of getting dragged out and thrown into the ocean,like the guy he saw.Getting dragged to the ocean from the Borgata would suck. Its got to be about a mile away.

Been to Borgate, spread from $50 to $750 only felt a little heat when I got up a bunch and shortly left on my own without any drag marks or any need for a life vest. Also played with minimal cover

ihate17

 

[Kasi]

Red and green chip players can not afford to give up any dollars for cover, but that is my opinion. Chunky green yes, black and higher yes. The red chip player is making so little per hour that every minus EV play and every toke given eats away at too much of his potential profit.
ihate17

I would think the percentage cost of dollars bet would be exactly the same all other things being equal.

Not counting tokes of course.

 

[Kasi]

the cost of staying on 16 vs a 7 on a $100 bet is $12 ...

Why do u think that?

But ur right, not a very good cover play.

 

[Kasi]

16v10 is so close (since standing is the move in any positive count) that it doesn't cost much at all for cover..

There's an awful lot of less costly plays than that assuming u r always going to do it.

 

[ihate17]

Yes the percentage should be the same

I would think the percentage cost of dollars bet would be exactly the same all other things being equal.

Not counting tokes of course.

The point is the average red chip counter is making so little that giving any away, even a small amount becomes more important to him than giving some away if you bet black. Anyway, it is more opinion on my part than fact. But, as far as math goes, you are correct.

ihate17

 

[Kasi]

The point is the average red chip counter is making so little that giving any away, even a small amount becomes more important to him than giving some away if you bet black. Anyway, it is more opinion on my part than fact. But, as far as math goes, you are correct.

ihate17

Glad we agree lol - I wasn't that sure anyway.

And I agree with u a $5 player probably doesn't have to worry about a whole heckuva lot of camouflage compared to a $100 player

 

[xxrenegadexx]

Red and green chip players can not afford to give up any dollars for cover, but that is my opinion. Chunky green yes, black and higher yes. The red chip player is making so little per hour that every minus EV play and every toke given eats away at too much of his potential profit.

At the higher level, you can afford to pay for this cover, but it actually costs you more in pure dollars.

If you really find (I do not know what your bet level is) that you need cover as a red chip player, you really need to either not play in casinos that sweat the smallest action or have to look in the mirror and try to see what the casino sees when it looks at you. A decent act, something like the talkitive good time guy on vacation, is all most red chip players need as cover and that will not cost you a dime. If you look like a counter, if your head keeps turning like you are watching a tennis match, if you spend more than a second to scan a table and adjust your count, or if someone can read your lips when you are counting, you can fix all of this and it will not cost you a cent of EV.

ihate17

I have a problem with the term "red chip player" ......... yes my unit bet is either 5 or ten bucks...... but when im using a 1-20 spread would i still be a blanket red chip guy pushing out $100?

 

[ihate17]

Do not take it personally

I have a problem with the term "red chip player" ......... yes my unit bet is either 5 or ten bucks...... but when im using a 1-20 spread would i still be a blanket red chip guy pushing out $100?

I use these terms because depending upon the casinos you play in, how you play at different bet levels can be important. Yes a red chip player will throw a black chip bet out there, just as a green chip player might throw 3 blacks out there and a black chip player might put a couple of purple (or white) chips out. But these are not your average bet.
So, in this thread my use of the term is basically to tell someone who is spreading say $10-$100 on a shoe game in a non sweat shop, cover should be unimportant and should not cost you any money.

ihate17

 

[eps6724]

If you are going to throw out the occasional cover insurance, I'd recommend doing it when you have a crappy hand and everyone can see it.

I had understood that the BETTER cover insurnce play was to occasionally insure the "good" hand of 20-to 'protect' it.

 

[EasyRhino]

Yeah, eps, it's a good point that a regular ploppy is more likely to insure a 20 than a crap hand. Maybe you even boast "I always insure good hands!" to the table. So, insuring a 20 will make you look like a ploppy... when you have a minimum bet out.

... and then you encounter a very + count, and get a 15, and insure it (for half of a large bet, so not an insignifcant chunk of cash). What do you say then? And what do you say when you then proceed to surrender the hand you just insured?

Probably six of one and half a dozen of the other.