Had this happen...

[creeping panther]

Grifter aside

and his play does sound flashy and positive...possibly, I play my own hands, and no others, and no one better try to play mine. I view this as a distraction, an unwanted attention getter, and a potential minefield. Besides I usually never play with more than 2 other players, at most.

Also, I have been warned by the PB on several occasions in several casinos that the cost of my continued play is to shut up and not talk to, coach, other players. :whip:

CP

 

[Jack_of_Tirades]

In your dreams the money belongs to the player playing that circle. Dealer has no say so.

It's not about the dealer having a say. The question was how to avoid the hassle of a dispute w/ another player. Having the dealer verify your win amount after jumping in is an easy way to avoid a dispute like the one that the OP describes. Of course, if the dealer verifies the wrong amount you have to claim your correct winnings.

 

[zengrifter]

I threw a $25 LL bet on another player's spot, with his permission, one graveyard session at PalaceSta. But the other playert was a gangbanger-type who was loosing. Hit 25-1 and the dealer slid me the whole payoff before the gangbanger had even a chance to quible. Whew! zg

 

[shadroch]

Going partners with another player on a double down when you are out of money is a very stupid thing to do.There is no upside for you whatsoever.
You have 11,and no money. By letting somebody stake the DD,you have eliminated the chance to get additional cards,thus reducing your chances to win,for no reward.
For the person putting up the money,its a good deal. I only scavenge when its a good deal for both myself and the player. Unless he's being a dick.
Where I play,it comes up two or three times an hour.

 

[zengrifter]

Going partners with another player on a double down when you are out of money is a very stupid thing to do.There is no upside for you whatsoever.
You have 11,and no money. By letting somebody stake the DD,you have eliminated the chance to get additional cards,thus reducing your chances to win,for no reward.

Often times there is no risk to the partner - like 10v4, 88v7, etc. zg

 

[InPlay]

Going partners with another player on a double down when you are out of money is a very stupid thing to do.There is no upside for you whatsoever.
You have 11,and no money. By letting somebody stake the DD,you have eliminated the chance to get additional cards,thus reducing your chances to win,for no reward.
For the person putting up the money,its a good deal. I only scavenge when its a good deal for both myself and the player. Unless he's being a dick.
Where I play,it comes up two or three times an hour.

Correct call and the only sensible play for a player with no money.

 

[InPlay]

I threw a $25 LL bet on another player's spot, with his permission, one graveyard session at PalaceSta. But the other playert was a gangbanger-type who was loosing. Hit 25-1 and the dealer slid me the whole payoff before the gangbanger had even a chance to quible. Whew! zg

You know for a fact that was the wrong call on the dealers part. It was not your betting circle or square. Tell me he didn't screw up? The gangbanger could of called the pit and demand the whole thing if he wanted to. Correct ?

 

[InPlay]

It's not about the dealer having a say. The question was how to avoid the hassle of a dispute w/ another player. Having the dealer verify your win amount after jumping in is an easy way to avoid a dispute like the one that the OP describes. Of course, if the dealer verifies the wrong amount you have to claim your correct winnings.

Their is no disputes the dealer pays the circle and thats it play and simple. What happens after that is not the casino problem. If you remember I told a story about a guy that walked away with the other players money. Next time I saw him he had a broken arm and his face looked like someone used it for a punching bag. Best advice is not to get involved with other people. It's not worth the hassle. When it comes to money its a strange animal. It will bring out the worst in many people.

 

[InPlay]

Often times there is no risk to the partner - like 10v4, 88v7, etc. zg

Correct !

 

[Blue Efficacy]

the best thing to do is fill in someone's double downs for less. doesn't affect the other player whatsoever, and you have a chance to place a free bet on a profitable situation.

 

[zengrifter]

You know for a fact that was the wrong call on the dealers part. It was not your betting circle or square. Tell me he didn't screw up? The gangbanger could of called the pit and demand the whole thing if he wanted to. Correct ?

Yes, correct.

He bugged me for the next 45-min, all the way to the men's room at one point, that he should get something.
Finally I gave him $25, which didn't make him happy. zg

 

[zengrifter]

Their is no disputes the dealer pays the circle and thats it play and simple. What happens after that is not the casino problem. If you remember I told a story about a guy that walked away with the other players money. Next time I saw him he had a broken arm and his face looked like someone used it for a punching bag. Best advice is not to get involved with other people. It's not worth the hassle. When it comes to money its a strange animal. It will bring out the worst in many people.

On the other hand, as I point out in ZGI, moves like this several times per night boosts your EV.
These are properly understood to be advanced strategies, like Ace-tracking. zg

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Often times there is no risk to the partner - like 10v4, 88v7, etc. zg

Right, most of the best DD plays are ones where the player shouldn't take another card anyway. And something like 88 vs. 7, wow did I score big on that scavenger play once. I wouldn't intentionally or indifferently hurt a civilian at the table, helping them split 88 vs. 7 helps them enormously.

Plus I will give Basic Strategy advice to anyone who wants it- that alone is worth more than my actions could ever possibly cost a civilian.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Plus I will give Basic Strategy advice to anyone who wants it- that alone is worth more than my actions could ever possibly cost a civilian.

Not if you're at third base and you take the dealer's bust card.

 

[EasyRhino]

Plus I will give Basic Strategy advice to anyone who wants it- that alone is worth more than my actions could ever possibly cost a civilian.

I think I've given some pretty valuable tax advice at the table, come to think of it. Wonder if I can get a green chip for it.

 

[zengrifter]

Right, most of the best DD plays are ones where the player shouldn't take another card anyway. And something like 88 vs. 7, wow did I score big on that scavenger play once. I wouldn't intentionally or indifferently hurt a civilian at the table, helping them split 88 vs. 7 helps them enormously.

So you wouldn't encourage a ploppy to go partners with you on splitting his 10s? zg

 

[callipygian]

Some APs make a big deal about how there is a lot of +EV in this, I see it as just an opportunity for some ploppy to screw you.

I am one of the people who think this is a great idea, but I completely agree with Doofus - unless there is an explicit understanding, never put your money into someone else's betting circle.

If you're doubling, make it clear that you get half of the winnings. If you're splitting, make it clear which hand you're going to take control of. I never play insurance for others for exactly this problem - when the insurance pays off, they think you just saved their hand.