Hanging up the indices

Dopple

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Bet is 1 x10 to 2 x 50 a 10-1 spread. Pen is 75%. Over 100 indices if you are counting the hit/stand, hard double, soft double, split indices on pgs. 112,113, 114. 115 of MD Blackjack, Uston. DAS.

Yes I figured units as chips, now I know a unit is min bet ($10).

The ramp being too aggressive is a good point, I can use that info, thanks.

I am thinking of going back to 6 decks with surrender and a $5 min with a 20-1 spread for half my play to cut down on the risk.
 

matt21

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Dopple said:
I was trying see if I could play enough to get some kind of feel for what I could expect from the game and lost back about 40 hours of winnings last night. I dont know how many SD units I am away from EV but it almost feels like I am doing something wrong. I dropped 260 units playing DD spreading from a 2 unit min to 2 spots at 10 units each at about TC 4 .
Dopple, sorry to hear about your bad luck.

It always surprises that people often play without being fairly certain as to their theoretical win rate.

I think once someone has played 40 hours or so then they should try to find out what others playing the same conditions are earning and/or what they expect to earn. The next step is run their conditions through simulations and truly understand the figures that come out the other end. Certainly playing hours to get an idea of the kind of return to be expected is quite dangerous.
When I started I was very lucky, and completely and was convinced that every card counter on the world was purposely understating their profit - surely my 50 hours of play were proof enough that earning 6 units per hour is achievable with straight counting :eek:

If you are playing this game seriously then working with simulations is a must, otherwise it's equivalent to starting a brick and mortar business with no market research, sales budgets, cashflow forecasts etc - the beauty in blackjack is that theoretical returns and expected variance can be calculated with failry good accuracy - much better than in the stockmarkets, insurance, or any business such as restaurants, professional services, car rentals etc etc

Since BJ offers such an excellent forecasting opportunity, players should really take advantage of it!

Good luck,
Matt
 

FLASH1296

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Who knows what the value PER COUNT is with the Uston Advanced Point Count ?

I am interested in knowing. This is a powerful Level Three Count.
 

Dopple

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Edge from p 128-9 MD Blackjack

Here is a scan from the book Flash, I hope it reads. Looks like you will have to turn your computer on the side, sorry. I just wondered if I am breaking some copywrite law here. Should I delete this post?
 

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ycming

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FLASH1296 said:
dopple,

Perhaps I have detected a fatal flaw in what you are doing.

You are putting out your MAX bet at TC +4.

You are using the UAPC [Uston Advanced Point Count].

IF I am not mistaken I think that your count at +4 is
indicative of less than a 1% advantage - as it is a Level 3 count.

Ordinarily, we are looking for a 2% advantage to be placing a Max
Bet. With Hi-Lo that is ordinarily TC +5 or +6

I do not have my copy of Million Dollar Blackjack at hand and I am
on vacation with just a slow internet connection; so I cannot check on this.

Did you use software to generate an OPTIMAL Bet Ramp for you ?
Hmmm interesting post for my game, if i am playing ENHC and max betting at tc+4 does that mean i am over betting ? As that indicates just under 1.5% advantage!

Thanks
Ming
 

FLASH1296

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ycming,

You need to specify the count that you are using.
I am sure that you aren't using UAPC like dopple.
 

ycming

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FLASH1296 said:
ycming,

You need to specify the count that you are using.
I am sure that you aren't using UAPC like dopple.
sorry forgot to mention, is Hi-lo am using.

Thanks
Ming
 

blackchipjim

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baseball bat variance!

Yes we all go over our systems and our spreads and what we might have done wrong to incur the wrath of neg. variance. I have been found talking to myself when leaving the joints at times. Bird into the window type of stunned comes to mind. I think being beat with a baseball bat is less painfull than running into negative variance. We all have run into it and we will run into again so we accept it and go back for more. :laugh:
 

FLASH1296

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YES Ming, you are overbetting, but not by a great deal.

You have, [considering the British games], an extremely small edge at TC +1

At +4 your advantage is approx. 1.6%

NOTE: A 1.6% edge is the equivalent of winning even money bets just 50.8% of the time.

It is too slim an edge to bet your Max on.

You will do better using +5 for Max bets, as your advantage will be a solid 2% at that level.
 
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