hole-carding for beginners, rookies, and neophytes.

[EdgeCapper]

Statistics alone, a flashing dealer is your best bet, but I will not say james is wrong by table hopping when a dealer is hot. Some of what I have seen in the casino business just seems to defy the odds. For instance, two days ago, I noticed I pulled 6-6-9 an unusual number of times in my shift and then I hung out at the bar after work and player video blackjack and the machine beat me two times in a row with that same combination when I had 20. Then last night, I pulled 6-6-9 on my first table 5 times in an hour.

At Green Valley Ranch last year, everytime I split 7s I would get another 7 so I took the trend into consideration when being dealt that hand from that point on and rather than split, I would double down on a hard 14. I havent played there in recent months, but over time, I doubled on two 7s 7 or 8 times and I either won or pushed on all occasions, never lost.

Even casino management takes luck into consideration when making adjustments to their table games. At least where I work. One of the owners recently shifted baccarat dealers and floormen so the luckiest were on swing shift even though the dealer and floorman have nothing to do with the outcome of the hand, its an automatic shuffler and only the cut makes a differance and thats done by the player. One of the pit managers took notice that I dominate on table 7 and dump on table 8 and after asking me if I was always so lucky on 7 and unlucky on 8. he started making table 7 a $100 game and anytime there is big action, guess who is sent to make the house some money? I havent been on table 8 for months now.

 

[biggamejames]

Statistics alone, a flashing dealer is your best bet, but I will not say james is wrong by table hopping when a dealer is hot. Some of what I have seen in the casino business just seems to defy the odds. For instance, two days ago, I noticed I pulled 6-6-9 an unusual number of times in my shift and then I hung out at the bar after work and player video blackjack and the machine beat me two times in a row with that same combination when I had 20. Then last night, I pulled 6-6-9 on my first table 5 times in an hour.

At Green Valley Ranch last year, everytime I split 7s I would get another 7 so I took the trend into consideration when being dealt that hand from that point on and rather than split, I would double down on a hard 14. I havent played there in recent months, but over time, I doubled on two 7s 7 or 8 times and I either won or pushed on all occasions, never lost.

Even casino management takes luck into consideration when making adjustments to their table games. At least where I work. One of the owners recently shifted baccarat dealers and floormen so the luckiest were on swing shift even though the dealer and floorman have nothing to do with the outcome of the hand, its an automatic shuffler and only the cut makes a differance and thats done by the player. One of the pit managers took notice that I dominate on table 7 and dump on table 8 and after asking me if I was always so lucky on 7 and unlucky on 8. he started making table 7 a $100 game and anytime there is big action, guess who is sent to make the house some money? I havent been on table 8 for months now.

Now isnt this just shocking....

A dealer actually admitting that there is such as thing as a "hot" streak for a dealer.....This must be the most shocking news to hit this forum in years.....

Wait..Wait...he goes as far as suggesting that casino managers actually manipulate their dealers schedule to limit their losses...This is outstanding stuff man

To think that all these myths proven to be true by a person who actually works in the industry..

This is ground breaking stuff man. http://www.blackjackinfo.com will be up in arms when they realize the factual truth that dealers actually do go through hot and cold streaks....This is amazing stuff on this forum..Edgecapper...

nice work..:grin:

 

[RJT]

Even casino management takes luck into consideration when making adjustments to their table games.

That's cause they are amongst the most superstitious bunch of the lot.

Anyway James, you've wasted another perfectly good thread with your absolute rubbish, take it somewhere other than the advanced techniques please. This forum is for discussion of the advanced techniques, ie hole carding, shuffle tracking, sequencing ect ect. We get your point, you don't believe in them and would rather chase around 'cold' dealers all night. Great have fun. Don't waste anymore of our time with your innane rants please.
Oh and if you do want to continue posting here, please be kind enough to do as moo asked and admit that you have no valid maths to back up your theories, so any newbie that stumbles across your guff can quickly dismiss it. While you're at it you could explain to us again how you're predicting these 'hot/cold' streaks? Oh yeh, that whole 'i've won/lost a lot of hands so far, so its bound to continue that way!' LMAO you really are giving me a good laugh. Why don't you chase round roulette wheels that have had 5/8/10 lands on one color and bet the other? Or are you sensible enough to see that past events don't have any effect on future events in roulette?
Anyway, that's enough of that.

RJT :laugh: .

 

[EasyRhino]

So, most (all?) three card poker tables that I've seen use a CSM-type device, which shuffles the deck and spits out cards in three-card chunks (face down) The dealer then picks up each of these chunks and places them in front of the players and then herself (rest go in the discard tray).

Is this kind of setup common everywhere or is there some other way of shuffling/dealing 3CP which is easier or harder to holecard?

 

[ScottH]

Even casino management takes luck into consideration when making adjustments to their table games. At least where I work.

Isn't that kinda dumb though? You only need a simple understanding of math and the game of BJ to know that luck is just random. There is no such thing as "hot" dealers, but on occasion they do get hot, but that's just variance, aka luck.

 

[ScottH]

Some of what I have seen in the casino business just seems to defy the odds.

Very rare events hardly ever happen, but if you are in the BJ environment for a long time these rare events are actually likely to occur at some point. The only thing is, they can't help you in any way. Whether it be a hot dealer, or the dealer getting a 21 with the same sequence of cards several times. If you see a dealer pay out 5 times in a row, do you now have the advantage if you go in and play? Or, do you not play because the "hot streak" is due to end? Who knows, anything can happen on the next hand.

So weird things happen, dealer's go on streaks, but you can't benefit from these facts because you can't predict when they will happen.

 

[zengrifter]

And the BJINFO Voodoo Comment of the Week Award goes to...

A flashing dealer isnt more valuable than a dealer who is on a paying streak!!!

...BigGameJames! :1st:Take a bow Biggie! zg

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[ScottH]

And the BJINFO Voodoo Comment of the Week Award goes to...

...BigGameJames! :1st:Take a bow Biggie! zg

I'm sure this is the current front-runner for Voodoo Comment of the Month as well. He only has a couple more weeks left to come up with a better one or this one will take it! :joker:

 

[ihate17]

Two points

I have kept a book on flashing dealers, casino, shift, name and description. Of course dealers come and go, so updating must be done, but I walk into the casino knowing there is a strong possibility that dealer is there.

Second point: I do not support this thread in general. The more information on the how to spot and how to play a flasher put on a public board, the more you can expect the casinos to improve their training or change the way some games are played. Keep this thread going guys and every casino will go no hole card till after you have played your hand.

This whole thread should have never continued and should be removed immediately!

ihate17

 

[ihate17]

Dealer streaks for James

Dealers get hot and cold streaks, just as players get streaks. There is no deneying that streaks exist.
The problem with streaks is very simple, you can not tell either when they will start or when they will end. You only know when you are in one but that does you no good because it does not tell you if the direction will change on the next hand or ten hands down the road.

The flasher is a completely different animal. When you have one, you know that your edge will continue until someone properly trains him or her.

ihate17

 

[ScottH]

This whole thread should have never continued and should be removed immediately!

I agree! Make it happen Sonny!

 

[zengrifter]

I do not support this thread in general. The more information on the how to spot and how to play a flasher put on a public board, the more you can expect the casinos to improve their training or change the way some games are played. Keep this thread going guys and every casino will go no hole card till after you have played your hand.

I disagree - The first players to post and write about flashers were REAL PROS, like Stalker/LVHCM and Uston. There's nothing wrong with the discussion here, Advanced Strategies.

But I'd like someone to post a more complete holecard strategy - Grosjean's or Uston's or YOURS! zg

 

[RJT]

I agree with Zen here,
All the information on how to spot flashing dealers and how to look for different weaknesses is already out there. There is no way to universally stop dealers flashing their hole cards with out making every game a no hole card game, and the industry doesn't want to do this for several reasons.
This is one i can't believe doesn't get referrenced more often but i feel that Bill Zender's 'Advantage Play for the Casino Executive' is a fantastic resource for getting down to the real nitty gritty details of different hole card techniques. Don't get me wrong, this book won't make you good at it, but it will give you several things to think about.

RJT.

 

[Brock Windsor]

3 card poker

So, most (all?) three card poker tables that I've seen use a CSM-type device, which shuffles the deck and spits out cards in three-card chunks (face down) The dealer then picks up each of these chunks and places them in front of the players and then herself (rest go in the discard tray).

Is this kind of setup common everywhere or is there some other way of shuffling/dealing 3CP which is easier or harder to holecard?

That is the normal way and the only one you should play on. I have seen a setup that makes hole carding harder, hope it doesn't catch on.
BW

 

[Sonny]

I do not support this thread in general. The more information on the how to spot and how to play a flasher put on a public board, the more you can expect the casinos to improve their training or change the way some games are played…This whole thread should have never continued and should be removed immediately!

I agree! Make it happen Sonny!

I agree with you both that discussing specific techniques and methods of identifying flashing dealers on a public forum is a big mistake. I have decided to prune this thread by removing any specific information and/or unnecessary information. If anyone feels that this thread is too dangerous then please PM me and we will discuss it.

-Sonny-