How many times a week should I go to this gold mine?

[The Chaperone]

blackjackomaha doesn't want the location revealed publicly lol.

95% pen is pretty much impossible unless you mean that the dealer re-shuffles the discards to finish out the last hand like in the old days. With 95% penetration on double deck, the dealer woudl run out of cards often even dealing to one spot and would almost certainly run out dealing to 2 or more spots.

 

[Dealer/Counter/]

With wongs halves i just double the point values

 

[Dealer/Counter/]

blackjackomaha doesn't want the location revealed publicly lol.

95% pen is pretty much impossible unless you mean that the dealer re-shuffles the discards to finish out the last hand like in the old days. With 95% penetration on double deck, the dealer woudl run out of cards often even dealing to one spot and would almost certainly run out dealing to 2 or more spots.

Ok then its probably 90% pen.

 

[NightStalker]

it was 80ish

blackjackomaha doesn't want the location revealed publicly lol.

95% pen is pretty much impossible unless you mean that the dealer re-shuffles the discards to finish out the last hand like in the old days. With 95% penetration on double deck, the dealer woudl run out of cards often even dealing to one spot and would almost certainly run out dealing to 2 or more spots.

For black-chippers, it quickly goes down to 60-70ish and then half-shoe is common after 1 hour of play..

 

[blackjackomaha]

For black-chippers, it quickly goes down to 60-70ish and then half-shoe is common after 1 hour of play..

That's cuz its good only for light red chippers . Anything more, you frequently get 'cheques play' and heat.

 

[zengrifter]

Where I live There is two double deck quarter games hit soft 17, double any two, split 3 times, and the best part is 95% penetration :devil:

I've mastered wong's halves for this game but not sure if this is the best system to use.

I use hilo for the 6 deck games which are about 80 - 90% penetration with the same rules except double deck is no mid shoe entry.

I play rated every time but I always try to talk to the pit bosses. The area I live in I suspect they know very little about counting, I even got a free drink

Any advice on how often I should go per week and what system to use for double deck?

Once per week, different shifts, play until you are up or down 40u.
Just use Halves for both games IF you really mastered Halves. IF you have not, ONLY use HiLo for both. zg

 

[FrankieT]

http://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm

Zen seems like a clear winner when you look at the whole picture, including ease of use:

Zen: BC: .96 PE: .63 IC: .85
Wong: BC: .99 PE: .56 IC: .72 (.5 counts = higher learning curve)



Just my unexpert analysis.

 

[creeping panther]

Dealer

Where I live There is two double deck quarter games hit soft 17, double any two, split 3 times, and the best part is 95% penetration :devil:

I've mastered wong's halves for this game but not sure if this is the best system to use.

I use hilo for the 6 deck games which are about 80 - 90% penetration with the same rules except double deck is no mid shoe entry.

I play rated every time but I always try to talk to the pit bosses. The area I live in I suspect they know very little about counting, I even got a free drink

Any advice on how often I should go per week and what system to use for double deck?

That is a lot like asking "How often should I make love and what positions are best"? and "oh,,what about condoms, any brand you recommend"?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

First off you should never make such a post,,,, it seems you want to use hi-lo so just use Hi-LOLO which does a Ace side for betting and some strategy deviations, rock their world:grin: Use very strong indice plays.

On this quarter game go with a 1-5 1/2, (really 1-4 alot safer) for longevity, play different shifts and tip $1 bets when you make a big move.

In the end you will be barred unless you just use a 1-2 spread and even then if you play "aggressive" you will still end up barred.

BTW, far from the best DD out there, but a good game.

CP

 

[Jack_Black]

95% or 90%? so you don't know what the real pen is? literally count how many cards come out to play, then stop when the cut card comes. use that number of cards divided 104 then, Voila!

wong halves is complete overkill. are you sure you're 100% accurate? sure? NO, are you really sure? I mean really, let's be honest, are you 100% never miss a beat? the gains by different count systems are nil, yet the accuracy needed to utilize these small gains are great. any few mistakes and now you're back at a level 1 gain or worse. seriously, counting cards is like digging a ditch with a tea spoon. using wong halves? here's a soup spoon.

 

[blackjack avenger]

one should be objective

http://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm

Zen seems like a clear winner when you look at the whole picture, including ease of use:

Zen: BC: .96 PE: .63 IC: .85
Wong: BC: .99 PE: .56 IC: .72 (.5 counts = higher learning curve)



Just my unexpert analysis.

Quoting the above probably does not tell the whole story. BC is very important, which is why halves is so dominant across many games.

The high bc and ic counts get stronger in play all hand held with minimal spread. Even the DD game in question doesn't sound that playable due to heat and countermeasures.

The only way to know if a count is better is with a sim of a particular game. Since you mention Qfit in chapter 8 modern bj shows how halves is the strongest count without a side count. In fact halves is stronger with more penetration.

Schlesinger refers to halves as the cadillac of counts.

 

[The Chaperone]

You should play this game sparingly. Tthree might want to give it a whirl at some point down the road, so don't be greedy and burn it out.

 

[Dealer/Counter/]

95% or 90%? so you don't know what the real pen is? literally count how many cards come out to play, then stop when the cut card comes. use that number of cards divided 104 then, Voila!

wong halves is complete overkill. are you sure you're 100% accurate? sure? NO, are you really sure? I mean really, let's be honest, are you 100% never miss a beat? the gains by different count systems are nil, yet the accuracy needed to utilize these small gains are great. any few mistakes and now you're back at a level 1 gain or worse. seriously, counting cards is like digging a ditch with a tea spoon. using wong halves? here's a soup spoon.

Wongs halves is very powerful. Trust me i dont mess up this count. I practice when i deal dd at work. Ive had tons of practice.

I just use this to try to avoid pb and the eyes in the sky as much as possible

I just had a run last night for 700. Totaling 1500 threw days in a row. I prolly wont go back for a couple weeks. And ill go on a different shift

Factors i know that they know about me.

1. Im a young looking asian guy
2. They know im in the army
3. I always bring my girlfriend and occasionally play craps

I try to act like a tipsy superstitous ploppy with a drink always in my hand and talking about the flow of the cards. Is this really enough?

Any other tips for longevity? This is my favorite store btw

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

JB, come on, Halves is not that hard! D/C, talking about the "flow" of the cards won't buy you that much, in my opinion. If you don't believe something, it's very hard to sound convincing when you say it to a stranger. I'll admit that I'm not the best actor, so I try to not act unless it's necessary.

Stay unmemorable, but be friendly and unintimidating. As far as this game goes, I'm pretty sure the casino knows what pen they offer, and it's a smart move, considering the level of play of the locals. They're most likely making a killing on the increased rounds per hour, and the occasional counter may come in and make a few hundred dollars. No problem.

 

[noharmnofoul]

Oh how I wish I could find a game like this at a local store!

 

[blackriver]

95% or 90%? so you don't know what the real pen is? literally count how many cards come out to play, then stop when the cut card comes. use that number of cards divided 104 then, Voila!

wong halves is complete overkill. are you sure you're 100% accurate? sure? NO, are you really sure? I mean really, let's be honest, are you 100% never miss a beat? the gains by different count systems are nil, yet the accuracy needed to utilize these small gains are great. any few mistakes and now you're back at a level 1 gain or worse. seriously, counting cards is like digging a ditch with a tea spoon. using wong halves? here's a soup spoon.

Great post

You should play this game sparingly. Tthree might want to give it a whirl at some point down the road, so don't be greedy and burn it out.

I'm not a religious person and I'm glad trends are moving the way they are. But I wouldn't go around mocking religious leaders like

«sarcastic voice»
"hey while we're at it lets treat others the way we would like to be treated......hah yeah right, just kidding. Those do-gooder pussies are just a bunch of suckers, am I right?"

Wongs halves is very powerful. Trust me i dont mess up this count. I practice when i deal dd at work. Ive had tons of practice.

I just use this to try to avoid pb and the eyes in the sky as much as possible

I just had a run last night for 700. Totaling 1500 threw days in a row. I prolly wont go back for a couple weeks. And ill go on a different shift

Factors i know that they know about me.

1. Im a young looking asian guy
2. They know im in the army
3. I always bring my girlfriend and occasionally play craps

I try to act like a tipsy superstitous ploppy with a drink always in my hand and talking about the flow of the cards. Is this really enough?

Any other tips for longevity? This is my favorite store btw

You probably should stop describing your self so rigorously

 

[tthree]

You should play this game sparingly. Tthree might want to give it a whirl at some point down the road, so don't be greedy and burn it out.

Do I have to round up my goon squad again. Blood is so hard to remove from clothes.:laugh:

 

[alwayssplitaces]

You should try to live there, it's an ATM.

Games like this don't stick around too long, or get heavily protected (like the Spaniard). Milk it for as long as it lasts or until you get backed off.

This is the kind of game pros would fly from other countries to play if the limits are high and the heat is low. Once the pros find out about its location, they'll milk the game.

If they look at their quarterly report and see that the game isn't as profitable as the regular shoe games or is actually losing money, it'll be gone in a heartbeat.

 

[silky28]

The only piece of advice I can give is to misrepresent winnings. Keep chips off the table etc etc etc. I shoot the **** with the dealers etc and when they ask me how the nights going I usually telll them I'm down or about even. I never have more than a few bet worths on the table. So far I have been able to avoid all heat.

 

[markmcdonald]

I suspect I know which store this is and the type of area. I think he can make way more than 10k here, especially the way they operate. They don't seem to be very concerned with our type, or I got away with it very well by accident.