how much will they let me win??

[Most Interesting Man]

So to answer your question without getting into the system. By jumping from minimum to maximum bet (even by just playing table max) you've gotten their attention and if you're still allowed to play they've figured they'll get their 10k back. If you turn out to be a consistent winner and a big one at that, you will eventually reach a pain threshold where the house will ask you to leave. They may have no clue how you do it, may even blame it on "bad luck for the house" but it won't matter at that point -- they just don't want to fade your action. That threshold is different for each house. At a small one I've heard of players being up by 5k being asked to leave.

 

[mjatte]

So to answer your question without getting into the system. By jumping from minimum to maximum bet (even by just playing table max) you've gotten their attention and if you're still allowed to play they've figured they'll get their 10k back. If you turn out to be a consistent winner and a big one at that, you will eventually reach a pain threshold where the house will ask you to leave. They may have no clue how you do it, may even blame it on "bad luck for the house" but it won't matter at that point -- they just don't want to fade your action. That threshold is different for each house. At a small one I've heard of players being up by 5k being asked to leave.

Thanks for addressing my question. . I think this is a worthwhile discussion, because even my system is a loser, very lucky ploppies really do win huge, even over extended time periods.

So this is why I am wondering if I need to do things to hide the fact that I am a winner. I don't want heat. I want to be friends with the employees. That's scary that 5k will get u asked to leave. How can I convince them that I'm no threat without actually losing money???

 

[MangoJ]

10 months = 45 weeks

$10,000/45 weeks = $222.22/week average

If he is pulling down "between $350 and $2000 a week", why is his average only $222.22/week?

Oh thats simple to answer. Math is wrong, due to cosmic something. There is no contradiction, it's just the math which is wrong.

 

[mjatte]

Oh thats simple to answer. Math is wrong, due to cosmic something. There is no contradiction, it's just the math which is wrong.

I corrected my math above. Lol.

 

[tthree]

If there is no mathematical basis for your wins big casinos will encourage you to play. They know sooner or later you will lose it back many times over. The way for them to profit from your play is to do everything they can to make sure this happens in their casino. What is your system anyway. I love playing with math problems and watching the behavior of various systems as they are used. It is quite instructional and has practical uses for understanding how random play behaves. It is fun for me. I dont take them to casinos and try them out. That would not be fun at all.

 

[LovinItAll]

It seems to me that the answers to your question have been wholly inadequate, at least from your point of view. Here's the problem:

You've come up with a system that not only wins, but that you plan to use and "Never lose again."

That would mean that you've studied a game that has been played for decades within casinos in this country, and that has been analyzed by some of the greatest minds throughout the land. In order to devise this system, you would have to be MUCH smarter than anyone replying to your question. One that can contrive a system that cannot lose should have absolutely no problem coming up with a system to mask wins, and given the vast resource materials available on the internet, there should be no need to ask the question in the first place.

Assuming the system you've created works, the best advice anyone can give you is this:

- Write a book.
- Connect with the right players and demonstrate your system without supplying the details. Watching you reel off a couple of dozen winning sessions should be enough to convince any naysayers
- Sell each copy of the book for - I don't know - $50k/copy? A guaranteed winning system may be worth 10x that price.
- Rinse and repeat.

You'll make far more money selling your system than you could ever hope to make actually playing the game, plus consider that if you continue your winning ways, you're going to run out of places to play eventually.

As far as the casinos being your personal ATM, remember that casino ownership is so consolidated that a big winning streak that gets you backed off will go into their computer systems. Losing one casino can potentially lose you dozens of other properties. Since your system will result in the game being removed from the casino floor once management figures out that it's not only beatable, but that it can be beaten every time a player plays, you really need to strike while the iron is hot and cash in.

Since you win ~$350 session and if the sessions last 3 hours or less, that would be $700 for a full day's work. At that rate, show me 30 winning days in a row and I'll pony up $150k in cash for your method after the 30th day if you have suffered zero losing sessions. After a month, you'll have made $21k from the game and another $150k from me. A year of that and you'll have >$2m in cash and only 12 people will be privy to your method. At $700/day, it would take you almost eight years of playing to make that much money, and the chance of hiding the money from the casinos - ~$200k/year playing 300 days - will be tough, but not impossible.

On the other hand, if we hook up and you completely waste my time, I'm going to be pretty pissed off. Since you can't lose, you really have nothing to worry about.

Looking forward to my new money machine! ~ L.I.A.

 

[mjatte]

Hey LovinItAll, thanks your your reply! You really gave me a good laugh, and thanks for playing along with my insanity.

One that can contrive a system that cannot lose should have absolutely no problem coming up with a system to mask wins, and given the vast resource materials available on the internet, there should be no need to ask the question in the first place.

I don't follow your logic here. My system allows me to win money at many different casino games. Most card counters on this forum seem to agree that the process of counting cards and making the right bets is relatively easy, and that the real challenge is not getting caught, while taking lots of money out of the casino. The same issue applies to my system. And this is why I started this thread, as all you card counters have lots of experience taking lots of money out form under the casino's nose without them noticing.

- Write a book.
- Connect with the right players and demonstrate your system without supplying the details. Watching you reel off a couple of dozen winning sessions should be enough to convince any naysayers
- Sell each copy of the book for - I don't know - $50k/copy? A guaranteed winning system may be worth 10x that price.
- Rinse and repeat.

I hesitate to reveal too many details about my system, except to say that it is very highly subjective. It combines a few different concepts, one of which is what I would have to call psychic ability, though I do not like the word "psychic", I don't know how else to describe it without going into too much detail.


Please note that my system so far has limitations. At this point it is very exausting to me mentally. ,After working my system for a few hours, I feel that part of my brain that makes the predictions is fried, and needs to rest for a couple days, so I will have to pass on the 30 day challange for now, though I don't rule it out in the future, if I can somehow build my endurance. However, my research has shown me that others using a similar method in a non-gambling task, also could only be successful about once a week, so there may be a physical or spiritual limitation here. I'm just not sure. On the same note, since this a subjective system in which there are a myriad of factors involved, the amount of money I bet will certainly affect the results as my decision process will be affected. This is why even if I had it, I am not ready to bet with a $150k bank just yet.


At this point, It is still too early to write a book, as I am still doing research while slowly building my bank, and refinining my skills. If I continue to be successful, and once the math shows that I am really far and away outperforming expectation, I will consider the steps you mention. Thanks so much for the advice. ! (so far I have only taken a $500 starting bankroll into 10k. ) a little lucky perhaps, but not out of this world, given that I make several large bets.


Thanks again for your input. :joker:

 

[mjatte]

If there is no mathematical basis for your wins big casinos will encourage you to play. They know sooner or later you will lose it back many times over. The way for them to profit from your play is to do everything they can to make sure this happens in their casino. What is your system anyway. I love playing with math problems and watching the behavior of various systems as they are used. It is quite instructional and has practical uses for understanding how random play behaves. It is fun for me. I dont take them to casinos and try them out. That would not be fun at all.

Good idea actually. I am able to apply mathematics to my system in a certain way. And this would be a good computer program for me to write. I may get back to you on this, as I 'm interested to see what the random play looks like as well.

 

[LovinItAll]

Hey LovinItAll, thanks your your reply! You really gave me a good laugh, and thanks for playing along with my insanity.

I don't follow your logic here. My system allows me to win money at many different casino games.

Since the thread was started on a BJ board, I thought it was specific to BJ. My apologies

I hesitate to reveal too many details about my system, except to say that it is very highly subjective. It combines a few different concepts, one of which is what I would have to call psychic ability, though I do not like the word "psychic", I don't know how else to describe it without going into too much detail.

I don't discount the use of things/thoughts/concepts some might consider paranormal. I'm a big lucid dreamer and meditate daily. I've had several unique, creative experiences, but none from which I have profited financially.

Please note that my system so far has limitations. At this point it is very exausting to me mentally. ,After working my system for a few hours, I feel that part of my brain that makes the predictions is fried, and needs to rest for a couple days, so I will have to pass on the 30 day challange for now, though I don't rule it out in the future, if I can somehow build my endurance. However, my research has shown me that others using a similar method in a non-gambling task, also could only be successful about once a week, so there may be a physical or spiritual limitation here. I'm just not sure. On the same note, since this a subjective system in which there are a myriad of factors involved, the amount of money I bet will certainly affect the results as my decision process will be affected. This is why even if I had it, I am not ready to bet with a $150k bank just yet.

I understand. Mine is a standing offer.

At this point, It is still too early to write a book, as I am still doing research while slowly building my bank, and refinining my skills. If I continue to be successful, and once the math shows that I am really far and away outperforming expectation, I will consider the steps you mention. Thanks so much for the advice. ! (so far I have only taken a $500 starting bankroll into 10k. ) a little lucky perhaps, but not out of this world, given that I make several large bets.

Thanks again for your input. :joker:

You're welcome.

Best ~ L.I.A.

 

[socal_bj]

You will NOT get banned for winning. Most casinos will treat you very nicely and shower you with comps to come back and play even if you take $250K from them in one weekend! You are like a walking bill board advertisement to them. A big winner is welcomed, especially welcomed back. So keep on winning. You are in a great position and I hope your voodoo system keeps working!

Casinos only dislike the card counters. It's the only proven system that beats them in the long run. Win or lose a card counter (someone who increases their bets when ratio of high cards to low cards goes up) can be banned from playing BJ (but only BJ, casinos will encourage a backed off AP to keep gambling at any other game but BJ).

I'm a rated player at my favorite casinos and the more experienced dealers know I'm an AP player and so do most of the pit bosses. I win consistently but bet only $25 to $150 per hand. They let me keep playing so far (probably because I'm an attractive asian woman and a good tipper) but I've been warned in a friendly fashion to "be careful and not bet too much" by the dealers. I'm sure the minute I go to high limits and start pushing out $1,000 bets they will back me off.

I've also had dealers defend me at the tables when the floppies start ripping at me. This one time an old woman starts calling me crazy for hitting 12's against a dealer 16. I win the hand and "save the table". The dealer tells the old woman that I'm a very good player and I know when to hit the 12 against the 16 and when not to (the dealer stopped short of calling me a counter, but it was implied in her comments). I had played with this dealer 5 or 6 times before and she knows how I play. Even though I prefer not to have the other players know I'm a counter, it made me feel vindicated. I'm always getting picked on by other players.

 

[Gamblor]

You will NOT get banned for winning. Most casinos will treat you very nicely and shower you with comps to come back and play even if you take $250K from them in one weekend! You are like a walking bill board advertisement to them. A big winner is welcomed, especially welcomed back. So keep on winning. You are in a great position and I hope your voodoo system keeps working!

Casinos only dislike the card counters. It's the only proven system that beats them in the long run. Win or lose a card counter (someone who increases their bets when ratio of high cards to low cards goes up) can be banned from playing BJ (but only BJ, casinos will encourage a backed off AP to keep gambling at any other game but BJ).

I'm a rated player at my favorite casinos and the more experienced dealers know I'm an AP player and so do most of the pit bosses. I win consistently but bet only $25 to $150 per hand. They let me keep playing so far (probably because I'm an attractive asian woman and a good tipper) but I've been warned in a friendly fashion to "be careful and not bet too much" by the dealers. I'm sure the minute I go to high limits and start pushing out $1,000 bets they will back me off.

I've also had dealers defend me at the tables when the floppies start ripping at me. This one time an old woman starts calling me crazy for hitting 12's against a dealer 16. I win the hand and "save the table". The dealer tells the old woman that I'm a very good player and I know when to hit the 12 against the 16 and when not to (the dealer stopped short of calling me a counter, but it was implied in her comments). I had played with this dealer 5 or 6 times before and she knows how I play. Even though I prefer not to have the other players know I'm a counter, it made me feel vindicated. I'm always getting picked on by other players.

Yeah, can't say for sure, but I think places tolerate lower limit APs, or at least don't scrutinize you so much, if your liked. Think we might be surprised by how far this goes.

Think of it from the casino personnel perspective, you think we have a miserable time dealing with ploppies, they have to deal with them all the time. Nice to have a player not cursing, punching, spitting on the dealer, slamming their firsts on the table like a f***ing moron. You'd be surprised at how far a little kindness and good will goes, break up another wise miserable day for the casino personnel.

Throw into boot you have a player winning, and all the ploppies flock to the table or think "hey if that guy can win, why cant I?", and as you say, not bad advertisement for the casino.

Just one example, a dealer mis-payed me, I didn't even notice but a ploppy did. I told the pit boss I wasn't sure if I was mis-payed, but she said "OK, we'll pay you, because you never caused trouble before"

 

[MangoJ]

I also like hitting 12 against a dealers 16.

 

[C-SMith]

Keep Your System To Yourself!

Your system is yours to believe in. What you have created or have started
creating are the building blocks to your system. Kind of like the Pyramid. The
blocks form up to a certain point in your mind -- until you have created the
One. The very last block (The Top) which forms from the top to the bottom
follows the pattern next series of blocks (your system.)

This system that you are creating are the building blocks in your mind.
Your setting yourself up for the ultimate 'Psychic' experience when you
retrieve these blocks that have been stored in your mind. No one else
has access to these blocks that are stored in your memory, we are all
unique with our own programming and beliefs. What you are doing is
exercising your 'Psychic' abilities by applying math to numbers. You
are starting to feel the prediction of the next block that is stored,
which gives you the information on when to act (the cue to proceed
with the wager.)


But be very careful how you use this 'Psychic' ability. For there are
certain blocks that will affect other areas of the mind, which you don't
want other blocks to form on. If you do create these blocks in the wrong
parts, various unhealthy effects can occur. As your blocks are like a
puzzle, you don't to misplace a piece of the puzzle that floats around
until it hits the wrong neuron blocking it from firing onto the next for
cerebral memory. You can also call these blocks as brain cells which
you are stimulating in your mind and opening up these 'Psychic' abilities.
As you begin stimulating these blocks in your mind, you are expanding
your mind, your neurons are firing and these blocks become activated,
and you start to use more of your mental or minds' capacity. Therefore,
instead of using 10% of your minds' capacity, you are increasing it
20% or maybe even more by 30%.


Like I said, Keep your system to yourself! No one will believe your
system works but you, because they don't see the blocks that have
been programmed and formed in your mind. Your the one that has
created this system so why blow it for a couple hundred thousand?
Keep creating, keep learning, and don't let anyone get in the way!

Keep building that 'Bluck' !! (Luck... lol)


C*SMith -- (International Team of Hackers)

[email protected]

 

[halibut]

I also like hitting 12 against a dealers 16.

That's quite tempting, but the hole-carding strategy recommends against it.:joker:

 

[Nynefingers]

Casinos only dislike the card counters. It's the only proven system that beats them in the long run. Win or lose a card counter (someone who increases their bets when ratio of high cards to low cards goes up) can be banned from playing BJ (but only BJ, casinos will encourage a backed off AP to keep gambling at any other game but BJ).

Not even close to true. At least not always. First, casinos dislike anyone that has an edge, whether it's from card counting or otherwise. Second, just because you get the tap while playing BJ does not mean you'll still be able to play other games. If you embarass them enough at BJ, they can and will ban you from the property (and any others that they own).

 

[zengrifter]

I am able to apply mathematics to my system in a certain way. And this would be a good computer program for me to write. I may get back to you on this, as I 'm interested to see what the random play looks like as well.

I'm beginning to miss the GENIUS. zg

 

[zengrifter]

OK, time to move this to voodoo.

All the great mystery and magic of an unlimited universe you casually dismiss as voodoo. z:laugh:g

 

[zengrifter]

Your system is yours to believe in. What you have created or have started
creating are the building blocks to your system. Kind of like the Pyramid. The
blocks form up to a certain point in your mind -- until you have created the
One. The very last block (The Top) which forms from the top to the bottom
follows the pattern next series of blocks (your system.)

This system that you are creating are the building blocks in your mind.
Your setting yourself up for the ultimate 'Psychic' experience when you
retrieve these blocks that have been stored in your mind. No one else
has access to these blocks that are stored in your memory, we are all
unique with our own programming and beliefs. What you are doing is
exercising your 'Psychic' abilities by applying math to numbers. You
are starting to feel the prediction of the next block that is stored,
which gives you the information on when to act (the cue to proceed
with the wager.)


But be very careful how you use this 'Psychic' ability. For there are
certain blocks that will affect other areas of the mind, which you don't
want other blocks to form on. If you do create these blocks in the wrong
parts, various unhealthy effects can occur. As your blocks are like a
puzzle, you don't to misplace a piece of the puzzle that floats around
until it hits the wrong neuron blocking it from firing onto the next for
cerebral memory. You can also call these blocks as brain cells which
you are stimulating in your mind and opening up these 'Psychic' abilities.
As you begin stimulating these blocks in your mind, you are expanding
your mind, your neurons are firing and these blocks become activated,
and you start to use more of your mental or minds' capacity. Therefore,
instead of using 10% of your minds' capacity, you are increasing it
20% or maybe even more by 30%.


Like I said, Keep your system to yourself! No one will believe your
system works but you, because they don't see the blocks that have
been programmed and formed in your mind. Your the one that has
created this system so why blow it for a couple hundred thousand?
Keep creating, keep learning, and don't let anyone get in the way!

Keep building that 'Bluck' !! (Luck... lol)


C*SMith -- (International Team of Hackers)

[email protected]

Hey SMith, we have a forum for this stuff, here - PSI and Gambling

 

[zengrifter]

I don't want heat. I want to be friends with the employees. That's scary that 5k will get u asked to leave. How can I convince them that I'm no threat without actually losing money???

Invite them here to read your posts, or maybe just take a printout with you to hand out. zg

 

[socal_bj]

That's quite tempting, but the hole-carding strategy recommends against it.:joker:

You probably don't use the Balanced ZEN count like I do. Zen is great for Double Deck play if you use the index plays you can win with good rules, great penetration and not have to spread as much as 6 deck.

The Zen indexes are in the Casino Verite software:

They are also in Arnold Snyder's Blackbelt in Blackjack book (my favorite book on BJ) in page 316.