How to get more action in a nl poker game

[DeTalores]

Aww come on now Aslan. How can you say Holdem is luck? It's all odds. If i get it AI with an opponent when he's a 6 to 1 dog, and he draws out, then that's variance not luck(guess it could be viewed as the same thing lol). Just like blackjack. As long as you recognize your +EV spots you'll come out ahead.

Anyway if you're at a super tight table where you want more action, heck put on some straddles(as long as your confident you're a better player than everyone at the table, be aware of their range especially if you place a straddle). Play more laggy, always a good way to get action.
Just gotta remember if you want more action you're going to have to play well post-flop.

 

[aslan]

Aww come on now Aslan. How can you say Holdem is luck? It's all odds. If i get it AI with an opponent when he's a 6 to 1 dog, and he draws out, then that's variance not luck(guess it could be viewed as the same thing lol). Just like blackjack. As long as you recognize your +EV spots you'll come out ahead.

Anyway if you're at a super tight table where you want more action, heck put on some straddles(as long as your confident you're a better player than everyone at the table, be aware of their range especially if you place a straddle). Play more laggy, always a good way to get action.
Just gotta remember if you want more action you're going to have to play well post-flop.

Don't get me wrong. I/m saying luck is a greater factor in Holdem than it is in stud or draw poker. There is luck in every poker game, but skill will win in the long run.

BTW, be careful you don't get six players all drawing for a six to one shot against you. lol Sometimes too many bad players in a game can have an adverse effect.

 

[1357111317]

Don't get me wrong. I/m saying luck is a greater factor in Holdem than it is in stud or draw poker. There is luck in every poker game, but skill will win in the long run.

BTW, be careful you don't get six players all drawing for a six to one shot against you. lol Sometimes too many bad players in a game can have an adverse effect.

yeah a bit more variance, but the more people you have drawing against you the bigger your edge is probably. IE if you get AA in preflop vs 9 people you won't win too often. But you win much more than 1 out of 9 times and the pot you win is big. If its only vs 1 other player you will at least 4 out of 5 times but you only win 1 persons stack compared to 9. If I have the nuts I want as many people drawing against me as possible because that way I make more money.

 

[aslan]

yeah a bit more variance, but the more people you have drawing against you the bigger your edge is probably. IE if you get AA in preflop vs 9 people you won't win too often. But you win much more than 1 out of 9 times and the pot you win is big. If its only vs 1 other player you will at least 4 out of 5 times but you only win 1 persons stack compared to 9. If I have the nuts I want as many people drawing against me as possible because that way I make more money.

You don't believe that five people drawing to a five to one shot is a toss up? How about six people drawing to a five to one shot?

 

[Canceler]

Just going to throw this in...

One player (Hand 0) has AA. Three other players are playing the top 40% of hands, as defined by PokerStove.

The flop has a flush draw, and straight possibilities, including a possible made straight for anyone with KQ.

The player with AA still has a slight advantage!

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

26,864,331,600 games 845.810 secs 31,761,662 games/sec

Board: 9c Tc Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.392% 24.84% 00.56% 6671845080 149631585.50 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 24.869% 22.26% 02.61% 5978839484 702112160.83 { 44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 2: 24.869% 22.26% 02.61% 5978839484 702112160.83 { 44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 3: 24.869% 22.26% 02.61% 5978839484 702112160.83 { 44+, A2s+, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }

 

[1357111317]

In this situation 5 players are AI preflop I assigned 1 player AA and the 4 other players a range of any two broadway cards or any pocket pair.

As you can see in a 5 way pot AA wins half the time. Put in 1/5 of the pot to win 2.5/5. Pretty good EV if you ask me.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

13,514,261 games 25.416 secs 531,722 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.656% 53.98% 00.68% 7295395 91357.30 { AA }
Hand 1: 11.325% 10.74% 00.59% 1451248 79279.50 { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 2: 11.335% 10.75% 00.59% 1452344 79553.00 { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 3: 11.335% 10.75% 00.59% 1452427 79532.50 { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 4: 11.349% 10.76% 00.59% 1454301 79545.17 { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

 

[DeTalores]

You don't believe that five people drawing to a five to one shot is a toss up? How about six people drawing to a five to one shot?

I would definitely rather play with five other bad people, then 3 bad and 2 good for example.
It's variance, if you can withstand it your edge is going to be a LOT higher playing with five baddies.

 

[aslan]

I would definitely rather play with five other bad people, then 3 bad and 2 good for example.
It's variance, if you can withstand it your edge is going to be a LOT higher playing with five baddies.

I've often wondered, because I've had a few wired hands, but the baddies all stayed, one went all-in, and then they proceeded to draw out on my pat flush. From my vantage it seemed like it would have been better odds-wise if only two of them had attempted to draw out. lol Such is life!

 

[Canceler]

Hand protection, FTW...

I've often wondered, because I've had a few wired hands, but the baddies all stayed, one went all-in, and then they proceeded to draw out on my pat flush. From my vantage it seemed like it would have been better odds-wise if only two of them had attempted to draw out. lol Such is life!

I'm curious as to how uncomfortable you made it for these guys to stick around. And by "uncomfortable" I mean "expensive".

 

[aslan]

I'm curious as to how uncomfortable you made it for these guys to stick around. And by "uncomfortable" I mean "expensive".

It was no limit and I bet big. The fellow who drew out on me went all in on 6th street, so that had a limiting effect on the betting, plus he was locked in--no chance to keep him from drawing out. I got a little back as I recall from betting with the others, but I still blew $400. Such is life.

I think I wrote about it on the Forum when it happened but it's been a few years now. The details are vague, except for the amount I lost and how I lost it. You never seem to forget those unexpected losses. lol:laugh:

 

[1357111317]

The bad beats in poker stick around in your head a lot longer since they happen a lot less often. And believe me those bad beats do sting. The past two times i've played live I have gotten AI on the flop vs an opponent who had 1 out to a straight flush (I had a better flush than him) one time and 2 outs to a set (my KK vs his 99 on a 623 flop) another time. Both pots were over 2k. Both times I did not win. But such is poker.

 

[DeTalores]

I've often wondered, because I've had a few wired hands, but the baddies all stayed, one went all-in, and then they proceeded to draw out on my pat flush. From my vantage it seemed like it would have been better odds-wise if only two of them had attempted to draw out. lol Such is life!

You wanna play against players like this, they get their money in with worse hands.
That's a good thing
When I go to the local casinos I scope out the regs that I know are just there to gamble and know nothing about odds, and poker in general. Then I request to be at their table ^_^.