Resurrecting an old thread is fine, if you have something relevant to add to it, which you did. Doing so to reply to someone whose last post was two years ago makes people think you've lost your marbles, though.Kaiser said:EDIT: whoa, major old thread bump! I searched for "players hurting you" because I didn't want to start a new thread on it. Sorry.
if i make a stupid play does it effect others at the table?
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SilentBob420BMFJ
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to be technical, it COULD affect the results, but will not affect their CHANCES.. the same way people call interference on a coin flip, which is just stupid, because sure it could have been on its way to tails, and landed heads after the "interference" but its still 50/50.. for this to be true, the person claiming you "screwed up the shoe" would have to have knowledge of the order of all the cards, exactly what the others were going to do, and how many players were going to be at the table thruout the entire shoe..shadroch said:
i have a theory on where ploppy logic and blaming others came from.. players blame others so they dont have to blame theirself for their gambling problem and losing.. they come to the casino at least three times a week, and almost always lose, thus they get mad, and look around for somebody to blame, and that person is anybody who is doing something different.. it doesnt matter what it is, but when somebody does something "out of the norm", they blame it on that.. it is flat out amazing how many people believe in this stuff, and even more amazing the things they believe in, such as "screwing up the shoe".. oh yes, the shoe is in a PERFECT winning order, it is everytime, and the only way you can lose, is if somebody screws that order up.. WHAT?! so if that is true, why dont they go play by theirself at an empty table and win thousands?
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Cardcounter
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Bad plays will effect your chances!
If you make a bad play at a blackjack table lets say you stand on a soft 17 your chances of winning the hand will be less than if you make the correct play and hit or double down on it. The players next to you will have no mathimatical effect on there hand even though your play could cause them to win or lose. When they lose a lot of players blame you for making a bad play. When the odds are they don't play perfect them selves. So they lose 2-3% of everything they wager. Since they usually wager 10 times there buy in they usually lose 20%-30% of there buy in.
If you make a bad play at a blackjack table lets say you stand on a soft 17 your chances of winning the hand will be less than if you make the correct play and hit or double down on it. The players next to you will have no mathimatical effect on there hand even though your play could cause them to win or lose. When they lose a lot of players blame you for making a bad play. When the odds are they don't play perfect them selves. So they lose 2-3% of everything they wager. Since they usually wager 10 times there buy in they usually lose 20%-30% of there buy in.
AnIrishmannot2brite
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Well the possibility of taking a bust card away from a dealer in a higher count exists. I'm not certain if this is much more than a negligible factor really. In a high count there would be quite a few high cards. So hitting or doubling a soft hand could be expected to ever so slightly dilute a deck rich in tens or aces.
EasyRhino
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Yep, for a while I was ticked at fools who hit too much during high counts, but Ken Smith finally set me straight.
Sure, a lot of the time the fool is going to take high cards, thus diluting the count. But some of the time he's going to end up taking yet another small card, thus jacking the count even higher or your next hand. So even then, it's a "can help you or hurt you" situation.
Sure, a lot of the time the fool is going to take high cards, thus diluting the count. But some of the time he's going to end up taking yet another small card, thus jacking the count even higher or your next hand. So even then, it's a "can help you or hurt you" situation.
AnIrishmannot2brite
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Your statement makes me curious of the "dilution ratio" in large shoes compared to single or double deck. It's been my opinion that multiple players do not hurt a six deck show with a high count so much. But of course they kill single deck. I mean that is common knowledge.EasyRhino said:
Then there is the concept of heads up play in six deck shoes and what the consequence of a small group (like two to three players) does on shoe games.
Not talking about taking the bust card away but just the general expectation of varying amounts of players associated with the larger shoes.
It's an interesting concept and i haven't seen much written about it here.
Yesterday i was lucky to find a six deck shoe go very high in count and be playing heads up much of the time. Then two other players joined and the count went even higher. I made five hundred that hour or so with a table maximum of just $200.00.
SilentBob420BMFJ
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your english isnt too great, and i think you meant to say one word when you accidentally said another, but other than that, hooray, you got it right! not sure where you got that people usually wager 10x their buy in though, because that is way off.. first off, it varies greatly from person to person, but your claiming that if a $10 bettor buys in for $400, that they will only play 40 hands? 100x their buy in would be closerCardcounter said: