illustrious 18 odds

[xxrenegadexx]

i know its just icing on the cake but does anyone know the statistical benifit of the illustrious 18....... i just want to know b/c im sick of the old men that know basic strategy b*tching to me when i alter my play to the count

 

[Kasi]

i know its just icing on the cake but does anyone know the statistical benifit of the illustrious 18....... i just want to know b/c im sick of the old men that know basic strategy b*tching to me when i alter my play to the count

Depends alot on the game and your bet ramp.

Why even care about the bitching when u alter BS?

 

[xxrenegadexx]

Depends alot on the game and your bet ramp.

Why even care about the bitching when u alter BS?

Some of the ploppies take personal offense to this. I've been told that I messed up the shoe one too many times. I'm just curious if anyone knows the impact over time.

 

[Knox]

Try playing at less crowded times of day, if possible. Try also to get some rapport going with the ploppies if you have to endure their presence. For example, when that infrequent index play comes around ask their advice and if you take it and they lose, you have a good reason next time to play your "hunch" that it might be time to make an "incorrect" play. Also, a lot of the index plays relate to doubling so usually nobody cares what you do then, it's all on you. Numerous ploppies double incorrectly anyway.

Remember that the ploppies can eat a lot of the bad cards for you when you wong out to the bathroom.

 

[xxrenegadexx]

i had a guy double down with 32(5) ....... it was quite pathetic

 

[Kasi]

Some of the ploppies take personal offense to this. I've been told that I messed up the shoe one too many times. I'm just curious if anyone knows the impact over time.

So what u gonna do - sacriice advantage because some old guy is gonna say something?

If you are willing to do this, stop counting.

But, as a wild guess, without knowing the details, if u want to lose your money 5-10% faster, go ahead. Would losing it 1% faster make it acceptable?

For me, that's my favorite part of deviating from BS, even with my small bet. They get so mad sometimes they leave. I love it. Especially at 3rd base, especially when someone else has a big bet out.

I had to signal 5 times to hit my 12 vs 5. I won. Everybody else didn't. My money, my play.

 

[Kasi]

i had a guy double down with 32(5) ....... it was quite pathetic

Not if the count was high enough against the right dealer card. But see u'd know that - nobody else would lol.

 

[xxrenegadexx]

Not if the count was high enough against the right dealer card. But see u'd know that - nobody else would lol.

when would you ever double you 3-2?

 

[Kasi]

when would you ever double you 3-2?

Oh like maybe when the TC is +12 and the dealer has a 5. Something like that.

 

[mdlbj]

Focus more on your game with numbers play and less on what other people think. Its vice versa so to speak. You can tell them that they are inbread jeds as they call you a whatever. Pull out your wad and they will respect.

 

[EasyRhino]

Pull out your wad and they will respect.

Flashing my wad (bankroll people, bankroll) has only had yielded two noticeable results in my personal experience.

1) A kid who I swear was 16 was sat down at the $10 table, eyed my tidy stack of green chips, and asked,
"How much did you start with?"
"About this much."
"Really?!"

2) A dealer at Slotsafun caught a glimpse in my wallet (which was overloaded at the moment) right after I had stood on a 16v10 and hit a A,7vA. That's when I started getting preferntially shuffled on.

So, if I had to choose between impressing teenagers and not getting shuffled up on, I'll try to keep the cash somewhat discreet.

Besides, it conflicts with my conservative WASPy upbringing

 

[Brock Windsor]

i had a guy double down with 32(5) ....... it was quite pathetic

I doubled a 42(6) against a 5 the other night (knew the dealer had a facecard under). It got a shocked response from the only other player but not many people noticed. When I split 10's against a 5 (knew it was 15) everyone was squealing "no, no, no" Had to try and draw less attention after that. I don't really listen to the angry remarks of people who think you're "ruining the flow of cards".. then again I've learned to cope politely with inferior minds giving me advice on everything in life. For your index question I can't find the numbers but the big 3 (Insurance, 16v10, and 15v10) account for about 60% (of which insurance is 30%) of all possible gain from strategy deviations and the I18 about 90%. If you play shoe games and want to throw out most of your strategy variations except insurance I think you give up a bit more than 0.1% of advantage. If you play single deck with good rules you would be giving up more and I would advise against it. If you're straight counting a shoe game I would guess the best way to make money is a simple count, the most basic strategy changes, an aggressive bet spread and A LOT of time counting/wonging.
BW

 

[Brock Windsor]

2) A dealer at Slotsafun caught a glimpse in my wallet (which was overloaded at the moment) right after I had stood on a 16v10 and hit a A,7vA. That's when I started getting preferntially shuffled on.

Those are both moves a typical ploppy would make, must have been the cash that scared them... If you're standing 16v10 would you not also be standing on A7vA??
BW

 

[xxrenegadexx]

another thread that goes "off topic" ........... really no one knows how much an edge following the illustrious 18 will hand you in the long run? cmon now.... a lot of you guys know the math to everything.

 

[ScottH]

another thread that goes "off topic" ........... really no one knows how much an edge following the illustrious 18 will hand you in the long run? cmon now.... a lot of you guys know the math to everything.

I don't know the answer, but you should mention which system you use so whoever does know can give you a correct answer.

 

[xxrenegadexx]

I don't know the answer, but you should mention which system you use so whoever does know can give you a correct answer.

im starting to ignore your post..... after this one anyway..... but for those who need to know .... i use hi-lo

 

[21forme]

another thread that goes "off topic" ........... really no one knows how much an edge following the illustrious 18 will hand you in the long run? cmon now.... a lot of you guys know the math to everything.

I believe the numbers are in Schlesinger's book. From what I recall, the top 4 or 5 plays (insurance being #1) account for most of the gain, and that gain makes up about 10% of your total advantage, the other 90% being from sizing your bets with the count.

BTW, I saw a guy split 9s against a dealer 10 yesterday in AC and someone else hit 6/6 against a dealer 5 without splitting! I just ignore it...

 

[Sonny]

i know its just icing on the cake but does anyone know the statistical benifit of the illustrious 18.

The Ill18 will give you more than 90% of all the gain to be had from using index plays. I don’t have the exact advantages handy (do I really need to start bringing my BJ books to work?:joker but I believe you can find those numbers in “Blackjack Attack” and “Theory of Blackjack.”

-Sonny-

 

[ScottH]

im starting to ignore your post..... after this one anyway..... but for those who need to know .... i use hi-lo

Oh, me telling you to be specific enough for a correct answer wasn't helpful enough for you? I'm sorry...

 

[EasyRhino]

Those are both moves a typical ploppy would make, must have been the cash that scared them... If you're standing 16v10 would you not also be standing on A7vA??
BW

I mistyped, I meant I had hit a 16v10, in other words, I was just playing strict basic strategy, had lost about $100 or $200 bucks (big money at Slotsafun), and dug into the "wad" for more.