Indixes for the Zen count (Please!)

LordDante

Active Member
im new to counting and blackjack. i learned to use the hi-lo count(only the il18 indixes) and to play bs strategy perfectly 2 months ago.:)

two weeks ago after one night of lossing i got pissed and went home to learn a level 2 count, searching in the web i founded in this forums posts from zergrifter "i even read his full interview":whip: and really liked his attitude toward the zen count.

im learnin the zen count 1D conversion to true count and full indixes. In my casino verité software, i got the count to 16secs for 2 cards (80% of accuracy, waiting for 100 of accuracy to hit the casino again), but "the two question i have in the bottom" my software eliminates my indixes for those hand when i put the no hole characteristic of the game.

(at that time i didn't know nothing about variance or the math of blackjack, i only had read 2 books of the subject "blackjack bluebook II" and "blackjack blueprint")

i had a pretty long run of 12 sessions winning in a row.
Now im finishing reading blackbelt in blackjack and starting to read don schlesinger blackjack attack.(already read basic blackjack, blackjack secrets from standford wong and MIllion dollar blackjack from Ken Uston, just to know the game)

well to the point.

im playing a 4Deck game with 83% of penetration, H17, DAS, no resplitting of Aces allowed(one card after split only). blackjack pays 3 to 2. There is insurance. The dealer had a no hole card, but he only gets the original bet and bust hands after split.
here is the first question
Is these the same to European no hole card? If not What basic strategy change do i have to follow and what zen indixes(per example: 11vsA =-2 or hit, 11 VS 10= -9 or hit, 10 VS 10 OR A, 88 VS A OR 10 .... etc, etc, etc) do i use?

for the second question:
the game offers surrender before the dealers deals her hole card. You can surrender vs 10, but not Vs A. (i think these is early surrender to 10?)

What type of surrender is these?(!already learning the early surrender indixes!:flame:)
But i'll change to late surrenders if that it what it is.

THANK YOU ZERGRIFTER FOR YOUR POSTS AND ADVICE.:devil:

Im not in the USA.
 

zengrifter

Banned
Thank you for the kind words, paisan.

The game you described would NOT require ENHC (european no hole card) rules because the dealer only takes the original bet. And the surrender is the standard late-surrender.

So, even though the casino keeps you in suspense regarding the holecard, the end result is identical to the standard version. The standard indices would apply.

And so, unless Norm says that you can set your software to play your game identically, I recommend that you play the standard holecard version on CV.

Notwithstanding, I suggest that you do NOT spend much time playing on the software - ONLY DO THE DRILLS. Cape'ce? m

Ps Here are the complete 1DTC indices. You should round them and eliminate some per the ZGI -
http://blackjackforumonline.com/content/Zen_Count_Indices.htm
 
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Brock Windsor

Well-Known Member
It is Early Surrender

zengrifter said:
The game you described would NOT require ENHC (european no hole card) rules because the dealer only takes the original bet. And the surrender is the standard late-surrender.http://blackjackforumonline.com/content/Zen_Count_Indices.htm
If this is the game I'm thinking of it is early Surrender vs 10 only so continue to study the indicies for early surrender. Always try to surrender to the ace, some dealers don't know any better.
BW
 

LordDante

Active Member
In his article Aruba no hole card vs European No hole card, snyder says "The only basic strategy change that you should make in Aruba, to compensate for this rule, is don’t split 8s vs. a dealer ten or ace.":confused:

Is it early or late please agree.:confused:
Thank you zengrifter and brock windsor for your advises!:)
 

zengrifter

Banned
LordDante said:
In his article Aruba no hole card vs European No hole card, snyder says "The only basic strategy change that you should make in Aruba, to compensate for this rule, is don’t split 8s vs. a dealer ten or ace.":confused:

Is it early or late please agree.:confused:
Thank you zengrifter and brock windsor for your advises!:)
If the dealer only takes the original bet, you will use regular strategy. zg
 
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