Investors needed for new shuffle tracking-based team

bjtherapist

New Member
We've developed a method for gaining over 2% on the house via shuffle tracking. It works with the most common shuffle methods currently in Vegas. We're incorporated, trained, and we start in July. We're seeking 1 or 2 more investors before we begin. Proof of concept available, e-mail bjtherapist a.t gmail.com.
 

moo321

Well-Known Member
I'm skeptical up front. Shuffle tracking tends to not work as well in practice as it should in theory. Also, if it's a 2% edge, but you have to count a deck then track it, you're only playing at an edge half the time, for a total edge of 1%.

Don't get me wrong, I love when people can beat casinos. Best of luck.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
I will fund you to the tune of $50,000 of US dollar. Please send all your banking information and I will deposit it.To show mutual trust,be be assure of including you Social Security number. Mine will follow upon receipt.
 

callipygian

Well-Known Member
Your best investors are going to be the people who already know you and already trust you - your investment banker friends, your uncle, or your rich freshman year roommate. If you can't convince one of them to invest in you, chances are really low that a stranger from the Internet will.

Your best bet is to pool together a proof of concept bankroll from the team itself. If you have no savings, no disposable income, no friends, and no business connections, I think you're in for a really rough ride, whether you're playing blackjack, starting your own restaurant, or pitching an invention to VC's.
 

cardcounter0

Well-Known Member
It works with the most common shuffle methods currently in Vegas.

Have all the shuffles in Vegas recently changed???
If this is true, maybe I will stop playing so much poker and go back to the BJ tables.:laugh:
 

moo321

Well-Known Member
Do you have a business plan? And do you have relevant statistics, like win rate, risk of ruin, variance?
 

Harman

Well-Known Member
Why on Earth would anyone want to ever get into business with someone who picks the name bjtherapist??? :cool:
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
moo321 said:
Also, if it's a 2% edge, but you have to count a deck then track it, you're only playing at an edge half the time, for a total edge of 1%.
That's true, but if you can get a 1% advantage per shoe and you can play 5 shoes per hour then that's a 5% hourly EV. Shuffle tracking doesn't always find huge advantages (although it can), but it can be very good at finding small advantages very often. It can add up pretty quickly though.

-Sonny-
 

InPlay

Banned
bjtherapist said:
We're incorporated,

You are incorporated ? Were ? What type of business ? Name ? Corporation ID numbers ? I have millions I might be intrested. I am I retired AP player !
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
InPlay said:
You are incorporated ? Were ? What type of business ? Name ? Corporation ID numbers ? I have millions I might be intrested. I am I retired AP player !

No cutting the line.I was here first. Of course,I might be willing to sell you my spot. Twenty Gs sound fair?
 

ihate17

Well-Known Member
save your breath guys

A guy makes his first post on this board and it is asking for money.

This is not my first post. Organizing an all female counting, shuffle tracking and hole carding team. Send only certified checks to:

ihate17
c/o some casino with good games or weak dealers
best seat for a peek
Casino town, USA:laugh:

ihate17
 

Brock Windsor

Well-Known Member
bjtherapist said:
...Proof of concept available.....
Is there a reason not to post the proof? I understand the basics of shuffle tracking from existing literature and would think it somehwat undetectable to the pit. Perhaps you are concerned casinos will change their shuffles to the ones you can't beat?? Shuffle tracking is great theory, but becoming/finding a successful player is much more difficult.
BW
 

callipygian

Well-Known Member
ihate17 said:
Send only certified checks to:

ihate17
c/o some casino with good games or weak dealers
best seat for a peek
Casino town, USA:laugh:
GOOD AFTERNOON SIR OR MADAM. MY NAME IS BWANA ASIFIWE AND I AM EXECUTOR TO FINANCIAL ESTATE IN Lagos, Nigeria. I REPRESENT A VERY LARGE AND WEALTHY FINANCIERS OF CASINOS IN THE AFRICAN REGION. I AM AUTHORIZED TO TRANSFER AN AMOUNT OF $10,000,000 USD (TEN MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS) TO YOUR ACCOUNT. PLEASE SEND YOUR ACCOUNT NUMBER AND SSN NUMBER TO [email protected] FOR IMMEDIATE TRANSFER OF FUNDS TO YOUR ACCOUNT.

YOURS TRULY IN THE NAME OF THE LORD,
 

ihate17

Well-Known Member
Sorry Bwana

callipygian said:
GOOD AFTERNOON SIR OR MADAM. MY NAME IS BWANA ASIFIWE AND I AM EXECUTOR TO FINANCIAL ESTATE IN Lagos, Nigeria. I REPRESENT A VERY LARGE AND WEALTHY FINANCIERS OF CASINOS IN THE AFRICAN REGION. I AM AUTHORIZED TO TRANSFER AN AMOUNT OF $10,000,000 USD (TEN MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS) TO YOUR ACCOUNT. PLEASE SEND YOUR ACCOUNT NUMBER AND SSN NUMBER TO [email protected] FOR IMMEDIATE TRANSFER OF FUNDS TO YOUR ACCOUNT.

YOURS TRULY IN THE NAME OF THE LORD,
Sorry, but all certified checks must be mailed to my blackjack table. If you must wire something, wire chips to my casino account. But I am not sure just how you fit chips into a wire???
Your truly in the name of the Holy Sacred Flow of the All Knowing Cards
ihate17

Send to
The Candy Store Casino
Attn. ihate17
Casinotown, USA
 

zengrifter

Banned
callipygian said:
Your best investors are going to be the people who already know you and already trust you - your investment banker friends, your uncle, or your rich freshman year roommate. If you can't convince one of them to invest in you, chances are really low that a stranger from the Internet will.
I don't think that this 1-time poster solicitor of BJINFO investors intends to have meaningful discussion here. zg
 

bjtherapist

New Member
I wanted to address everyone's questions here as best as possible at this time:

Q: Also, if it's a 2% edge, but you have to count a deck then track it, you're only playing at an edge half the time.

A: Ideally, the first shoe is spent on tracking with no edge (other than what you can get from basic card counting), and then each subsequent shoe you would both track and play. If this proves too difficult for a particular method, you could simply change your bet increment every other shoe. If you're playing with green chips when tracking and black chips while playing, most of that issue goes away, and it's unlikely to garner heat if it's done for an entire shoe.

Q: If you can't convince one of them to invest in you, chances are really low that a stranger from the Internet will ... If you have no savings, no disposable income, no friends, and no business connections, I think you're in for a really rough ride

A: We already have capital, and are simply looking for more. I've started many business ventures, but never ask for investments without first putting my own money on the line. You are absolutely right.

Q: Have all the shuffles in Vegas recently changed???

A: There are many different shuffle techniques currently in use on the strip, and they do change over time. Our method picks one of them to exploit, but could be adapted to others. Until we've exhausted our winning potential using the shuffle technique we've already started with, we will hold on picking others.

Q: Do you have a business plan? And do you have relevant statistics, like win rate, risk of ruin, variance?

A: Yes. While a full formal business plan isn't appropriate for this type of venture (there is no product or service, no marketing, no risk of competition, etc.), we have compiled detailed numbers regarding the efficacy of our technique, EV, ROR, etc. Of course, knowing that our EV is a 2% gain, you could easily calculate numbers like ROR yourself. :)

Q: are incorporated ? Were ? What type of business ? Name ? Corporation ID numbers ?

A: We're an S-Corporation in NY. We do, however, wish to remain as anonymous as possible at this time to avoid getting barred before we reach the door. :) Naturally, investors will be privy to this information.

Q: Is there a reason not to post the proof? ... Perhaps you are concerned casinos will change their shuffles to the ones you can't beat?? Shuffle tracking is great theory, but becoming/finding a successful player is much more difficult.

A: We are certainly worried that the shuffle will change if our method becomes public. It might not change to a shuffle that's impossible to beat, but a new shuffle would require adjusting the technique and re-training, which is time consuming. Tracking is difficult, but we've adjusted our system to be as easy to learn as possible. You could probably get at least 1 of the 2% advantage with only 100 hours of practice.


Thank you for all the serious posts, and we look forward to hearing from you.
 

InPlay

Banned
bjtherapist said:
I wanted to address everyone's questions here as best as possible at this time:

Q: Also, if it's a 2% edge, but you have to count a deck then track it, you're only playing at an edge half the time.

A: Ideally, the first shoe is spent on tracking with no edge (other than what you can get from basic card counting), and then each subsequent shoe you would both track and play. If this proves too difficult for a particular method, you could simply change your bet increment every other shoe. If you're playing with green chips when tracking and black chips while playing, most of that issue goes away, and it's unlikely to garner heat if it's done for an entire shoe.

Q: If you can't convince one of them to invest in you, chances are really low that a stranger from the Internet will ... If you have no savings, no disposable income, no friends, and no business connections, I think you're in for a really rough ride

A: We already have capital, and are simply looking for more. I've started many business ventures, but never ask for investments without first putting my own money on the line. You are absolutely right.

Q: Have all the shuffles in Vegas recently changed???

A: There are many different shuffle techniques currently in use on the strip, and they do change over time. Our method picks one of them to exploit, but could be adapted to others. Until we've exhausted our winning potential using the shuffle technique we've already started with, we will hold on picking others.

Q: Do you have a business plan? And do you have relevant statistics, like win rate, risk of ruin, variance?

A: Yes. While a full formal business plan isn't appropriate for this type of venture (there is no product or service, no marketing, no risk of competition, etc.), we have compiled detailed numbers regarding the efficacy of our technique, EV, ROR, etc. Of course, knowing that our EV is a 2% gain, you could easily calculate numbers like ROR yourself. :)

Q: are incorporated ? Were ? What type of business ? Name ? Corporation ID numbers ?

A: We're an S-Corporation in NY. We do, however, wish to remain as anonymous as possible at this time to avoid getting barred before we reach the door. :) Naturally, investors will be privy to this information.

Q: Is there a reason not to post the proof? ... Perhaps you are concerned casinos will change their shuffles to the ones you can't beat?? Shuffle tracking is great theory, but becoming/finding a successful player is much more difficult.

A: We are certainly worried that the shuffle will change if our method becomes public. It might not change to a shuffle that's impossible to beat, but a new shuffle would require adjusting the technique and re-training, which is time consuming. Tracking is difficult, but we've adjusted our system to be as easy to learn as possible. You could probably get at least 1 of the 2% advantage with only 100 hours of practice.


Thank you for all the serious posts, and we look forward to hearing from you.


Since it looks like you are legit how much money would you require to invest in this wonderful oppurnity ? Also what is your historicial rate of return on capital invested ? Since your are a S- Corp do you issue 1099 or K1 statements at the end of the year to handle the money that is won ?
 

cardcounter0

Well-Known Member
Of course, knowing that our EV is a 2% gain, you could easily calculate numbers like ROR yourself.

WOW! That would be a pretty neat trick. Can you explain or give the formula to calculate ROR with only EV as input? :laugh:

I notice that my last question kind of changed your statement of EVERY SHUFFLE IN USE ON THE LAS VEGAS STRIP to THERE IS ONE SHUFFLE BEING USED SOMEWHERE.
 
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