is $200 a decent buy in amount

[bigplayer]

thank you but is it enough for a 6 deck 25 dollar min?

enough for the first eight hands with no edge at $25 min. Small buy-ins at shoes can come in handy as you can use running out of money as an excuse to wong out in a negative count.

Most of our guys buy-in for $2,500 a pop (all black please).

 

[The Chaperone]

If I'm going to spread from say 1x25-2x400 on a shoe game, I will buy in about $400 and bet $100-150 on the first hand. But keep in mind I actually have a *lot* more cash in my pocket. The first time I get a decent count I go all in. If I lose and the count goes down, I repeat the above. If I lose and the count goes up, I do a tilt buy of $800 and bet all of that. If I win and the count goes down it just looks like I won my all in and I can drop back to $25 or whatever. If I win and the count goes up, I parlay it for another all in. I think this strategy leaves you looking like a 'good customer' at least for a while. That being said, I don't think this is what the OP was talking about. He's talking about showing up to the casino with only $200 which is completely foolish even if the minimum bet is $1. Maybe if you could find a $1 minimum single deck game, you'd be okay, but even then you are working for less than minimum wage.

 

[kewljason]

I'm I'm going to spread from say 1x25-2x400 on a shoe game, I will buy in about $400 and bet $100-150 on the first hand. But keep in mind I actually have a *lot* more cash in my pocket. The first time I get a decent count I go all in. If I lose and the count goes down, I repeat the above. If I lose and the count goes up, I do a tilt buy of $800 and bet all of that. If I win and the count goes, down it just looks like I won my all in and I can drop back to $25 or whatever. If I win and the count goes up, I parlay it for another all in. I think this strategy leaves you looking like a 'good customer' at least for a while. That being said, I don't think this is what the OP was talking about. He's talking about showing up to the casino with only $200 which is completely foolish even if the minimum bet is $1. Maybe if you could find a $1 minimum single deck game, you'd be okay, but even then you are working for less than minimum wage.

Interesting, Chappy. What do you consider a decent count where you go all in? And If you have dropped back to $25 after your initial $100-$150 wager, are there intermediate wagers bewtwen $25 and all in, or is it one big jump?

 

[The Chaperone]

Interesting, Chappy. What do you consider a decent count where you go all in? And If you have dropped back to $25 after your initial $100-$150 wager, are there intermediate wagers bewtwen $25 and all in, or is it one big jump?

Depends. If I've been running bad and only have $200 in front of me, I will go all in with any advantage, i.e. TC1 or greater. If I have $600 in front of me, I may wait till TC2 or I may not go all in at all.

No problem jumping from $25 to all in regardless how much you have. It looks like a natural tilt move. I think jumping from $25 to $300 looks much more supicious than $25 to $500 if you have $500 chips in front of you. The former looks caluculated while the latter looks compulsive. Also, going broke or doubling up leaves you with many better options (see above).

 

[Sharky]

If I'm going to spread from say 1x25-2x400 on a shoe game...

so $25 unit with a 1-32 spread

...If I've been running bad and only have $200 in front of me, I will go all in with any advantage, i.e. TC1 or greater. If I have $600 in front of me, I may wait till TC2 or I may not go all in at all.

+1 => 8 units

.. If I have $600 in front of me, I may wait till TC2 or I may not go all in at all.

+2 => 24 units

.....It looks like a natural tilt move...

looks are not deceiving

...But keep in mind I actually have a *lot* more cash in my pocket...

you must with that ramp

this 'all in' strategy puts a poker spin on BJ

 

[Sharky]

... I buy in for $100 on a $25 table.

understand the idea of buying in for small amounts, but this is a bit ridiculous...aside from slowing the game, can/will cause undue attention when you need to buy chips to increase your bet...."yoo hoo, mr PC, i want to buy in for another $100 so i can increase my bet to $75 this hand"

 

[blackjacktilt]

for a $25 min table or is it 2 little?

it's 8 bets.... too little

 

[aslan]

Depends. If I've been running bad and only have $200 in front of me, I will go all in with any advantage, i.e. TC1 or greater. If I have $600 in front of me, I may wait till TC2 or I may not go all in at all.

No problem jumping from $25 to all in regardless how much you have. It looks like a natural tilt move. I think jumping from $25 to $300 looks much more supicious than $25 to $500 if you have $500 chips in front of you. The former looks caluculated while the latter looks compulsive. Also, going broke or doubling up leaves you with many better options (see above).

Your bet may not conform to Kelly criterion unless you have double what is needed to play a $25 min game. But I confirm what you are saying about using your remaining chips to "go all in," denoting either tilt (disgust or impatience with how things have been going) or some pressing demand on your time, such as dinner or a big date. Of course, if you win, that leads to additional large wagers, or if you get dd or split situations, that leads to digging in your pocket for additional money to play. It all works to look very ploppyish.

 

[The Chaperone]

Standing up and/or putting your coat on when you place your all-in bet adds to the effect Of course you have no intention of going anywhere, but it makes it more convincing.

 

[aslan]

Standing up and/or putting your coat on when you place your all-in bet adds to the effect Of course you have no intention of going anywhere, but it makes it more convincing.

I do so all the time. It does add to the effect, and it is the natural thing to, if you intend to leave (which I do... right after the plus count concludes).

 

[kewljason]

Standing up and/or putting your coat on when you place your all-in bet adds to the effect Of course you have no intention of going anywhere, but it makes it more convincing.

What is a coat? :laugh: I don't own a coat (nor even long pants) so I guess this coat trick isn't going to work for me.

But seriously, Mr Chap, I am a little confused. If the count is such that you are going all-in, it must be somewhat positive, or at least heading in the right direction, so what happens after you put your coat on, go all-in and lose that hand because more small cards hit the felt and the dealer pulled a 5 card 20. No doubt you are not walking from this still increasingly positive shoe, so you are standing there, coat and hat on reaching for more money. Seems kind of silly and even less natural looking.

 

[Gamblor]

What is a coat? :laugh: I don't own a coat (nor even long pants) so I guess this coat trick isn't going to work for me.

But seriously, Mr Chap, I am a little confused. If the count is such that you are going all-in, it must be somewhat positive, or at least heading in the right direction, so what happens after you put your coat on, go all-in and lose that hand because more small cards hit the felt and the dealer pulled a 5 card 20. No doubt you are not walking from this still increasingly positive shoe, so you are standing there, coat and hat on reaching for more money. Seems kind of silly and even less natural looking.

Yes, would be odd, unless its the last hand of the shoe.

 

[ohbehave]

so $25 unit with a 1-32 spread



+1 => 8 units



+2 => 24 units



looks are not deceiving



you must with that ramp

this 'all in' strategy puts a poker spin on BJ

I would put the necessary BR at minimum 6 figures for this style of play.

 

[aslan]

What is a coat? :laugh: I don't own a coat (nor even long pants) so I guess this coat trick isn't going to work for me.

But seriously, Mr Chap, I am a little confused. If the count is such that you are going all-in, it must be somewhat positive, or at least heading in the right direction, so what happens after you put your coat on, go all-in and lose that hand because more small cards hit the felt and the dealer pulled a 5 card 20. No doubt you are not walking from this still increasingly positive shoe, so you are standing there, coat and hat on reaching for more money. Seems kind of silly and even less natural looking.

I've done it, and it can get a little hairy if you lose this last all-in maneuver. Then I have to reach in my pocket, for "one last try," mumbling unspeakable things under my breath. :laugh: Actually, as you suggest, it is far better when you can see it is the last round or near the last round. I personally am good at improvising, however, I suppose owing to the fact that I am not that far from being a ploppy to begin with.

I probably told you the story that happened last year where I did not rake in my last bet (at a raised betting amount). I just sat there and studied it. It caused a little delay at the table and by that time the pit had moved over behind me, helping me to make up my mind by encouraging me to "let it ride." which was what I was waiting for. I did, I won, and I left, since it was the last hand in the shoe. I love this game.

 

[The Chaperone]

What is a coat? :laugh: I don't own a coat (nor even long pants) so I guess this coat trick isn't going to work for me.

But seriously, Mr Chap, I am a little confused. If the count is such that you are going all-in, it must be somewhat positive, or at least heading in the right direction, so what happens after you put your coat on, go all-in and lose that hand because more small cards hit the felt and the dealer pulled a 5 card 20. No doubt you are not walking from this still increasingly positive shoe, so you are standing there, coat and hat on reaching for more money. Seems kind of silly and even less natural looking.

You change your mind obviously. You are a degenerate. Any result of the hand, could change your mind into staying longer, even for hours more.

 

[The Chaperone]

I would put the necessary BR at minimum 6 figures for this style of play.

Maybe so, but I think both of you are making a big mistake in thinking that I would always bet 16 'units' at +1 and 24 'units' at +2. The BR requirements are obviously much less when I'm only doing this once or twice per session when I am short stacked.

This isn't an ABC strategy. It's not for everyone. ABC strategies make you look like a counter IMO. The whole point of this is to avoid that.

 

[aslan]

Maybe so, but I think both of you are making a big mistake in thinking that I would always bet 16 'units' at +1 and 24 'units' at +2. The BR requirements are obviously much less when I'm only doing this once or twice per session when I am short stacked.

This isn't an ABC strategy. It's not for everyone. ABC strategies make you look like a counter IMO. The whole point of this is to avoid that.

Which is why I have been known to ignore a short-lived plus count. I do a lot of play-all interspersed with wong outs. I am looking for a really good plus run and leave. I don't want to show a systematic bet raise pattern every time the count goes +1. Maybe I'm crazy, but it's done me well. I don't even like to show a systematic wong out behavior. I know, I'm crazy.

 

[tthree]

How many units should you have with you?

This is very interesting stuff about cover and disguise but Im not sure anyone really helped this guy much. He obviously is gambling way under bankrolled with a calamitous session/trip RoR. Maybe I missed it but how many units should he bring with him (not buy in at) for a 1-8 spread? The way he is doing it now unless he is pretty much flat betting I dont think he has much of a chance to leave with any money.

I certainly would be interested in this as I have a small bankroll and dont want to do anything stupid like not have enough in my pocket.

 

[aslan]

but if 200 is my whole amount for the day..then would i be able to still buy in? or is buying in for the 10 min better?

If $200 is your entire bankroll for the day, you are hardly prepared to play even a $5 game, unless you just want to flat bet playing PBS and index plays and hope to get lucky.

 

[AussiePlayer]

How much would you guys recommend for a $25 table with a 1-12 bet spread?