Is Honesty The Best Policy In Blackjack?

[rpd709]

Hello,

This morning I decided to go to a casino here in Indiana and play for a while. I am a basic strategy player that does not card count. While playing and occasionally playing for the dealer $1 chips I had a $30 dollar bet after progressive on winning hands well I had a 19 and stayed, he pulled a 20 and paid me.

Of course he got paid as well playing for the dealer but I kinda wanted to say something as I am an honest player but I also read on here that if it happens then don't say anything and take the money as a win.

Guess my conscious got to me just alittle bit.

I am just a small time low ball blackjack player that likes to play and have a good time but also likes to win money just like everyone else.

I walked out $300 up.

Am I in the wrong for the dealer mistake?

 

[ccl]

i used to deal and know how much trouble some places make little mistakes end up so i usually will point out the dealer their mistake, i have had some just shrug it off and tell me to keep it, but after i tell the same dealer for the same mistake more than twice i stop telling them, figure the place must not make it a huge deal

 

[zengrifter]

Hello,

This morning I decided to go to a casino here in Indiana and play for a while. I am a basic strategy player that does not card count. While playing and occasionally playing for the dealer $1 chips I had a $30 dollar bet after progressive on winning hands well I had a 19 and stayed, he pulled a 20 and paid me.

Of course he got paid as well playing for the dealer but I kinda wanted to say something as I am an honest player but I also read on here that if it happens then don't say anything and take the money as a win.

Guess my conscious got to me just alittle bit.

I am just a small time low ball blackjack player that likes to play and have a good time but also likes to win money just like everyone else.

I walked out $300 up.

Am I in the wrong for the dealer mistake?

No, you were in the right. It is absolutely NOT your responsibility to catch mistakes that go against the house. On the other hand there are times when it would be ideal to catch the mistake - like when you are being heavily comped - as a BS player using comp-counting. In general, there are enough mistakes made by dealers to boost the BS to a tiny edge. Watch for more carefully. zg

 

[rpd709]

I wasn't being comped anything other than 3 benjamins in my pocket

 

[standard toaster]

i was playing at my local casino about a month ago and they had a completely new dealer staff on it was a disaster!
i was getting paid when the dealer had blackjack
getting paid with pushes when other players had the same hand as me... we all just shrgugged each other off and were happy for each others good fortune
and we had to constantly watch for dealer mistakes id swear this guy had never been to a casino or heard of blackjack before
the pits were cool about it though when they caught his mistakes this is an extremley friendly casino

but just always keep your eyes open for mistakes either way! and take the ones that are for you:eyepatch:

 

[EasyRhino]

rpd, when it's your own hand, correct or don't correct as you see fit, it's up to you.

What's NOT cool is correcting error's on other people's hands if it was in their favor.

 

[callipygian]

I am a basic strategy player that does not card count. While playing and occasionally playing for the dealer $1 chips ... Am I in the wrong for the dealer mistake?

If it helps your conscience any, you probably paid the casino off in EV. Unless the dealer makes a mistake like that every 20 hands, you're probably not making a profit in the long run.

 

[Cardcounter]

i was playing at my local casino about a month ago and they had a completely new dealer staff on it was a disaster!
i was getting paid when the dealer had blackjack
getting paid with pushes when other players had the same hand as me... we all just shrgugged each other off and were happy for each others good fortune
and we had to constantly watch for dealer mistakes id swear this guy had never been to a casino or heard of blackjack before
the pits were cool about it though when they caught his mistakes this is an extremley friendly casino

but just always keep your eyes open for mistakes either way! and take the ones that are for you:eyepatch:

I hope you where tipping him!

 

[actuary]

I don't correct the dealer if they make a mistake in my favour. There are two reasons, the obvious being that its money in my pocket. The second is that correcting a mistake often calls for the dealer's mistake being brought to the pit boss' attention. That makes the dealer look bad.

Now, if the mistake is in the casino's favour, I absolutely get it corrected!

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I hope you where tipping him!

Not me, especially not in a store where dealers keep their own tips. I will never tip a dealer after he makes a mistake in my favor, because I don't like jail and I don't think the dealer does either.

 

[tribute]

Not me, especially not in a store where dealers keep their own tips. I will never tip a dealer after he makes a mistake in my favor, because I don't like jail and I don't think the dealer does either.

Agreed. I like to kindly correct a dealer, especially when the pit is watching. I would not want to be suspected of collusion.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

Once a dealer was about to take my bet when I had 21 and he did too. I made a sound of protest when he put his hand on my bet, my spot now had $15 when it previously had 10! He left me an extra chip from the guy to my left :grin:

 

[rpd709]

rpd, when it's your own hand, correct or don't correct as you see fit, it's up to you.

What's NOT cool is correcting error's on other people's hands if it was in their favor.

Of course not, I would never correct an error on someone elses hand.

Thats their responsibility if they want to depending on if they catch it or not.

 

[rpd709]

If it helps your conscience any, you probably paid the casino off in EV. Unless the dealer makes a mistake like that every 20 hands, you're probably not making a profit in the long run.

I only put a dollar to ride on my hands 5 times so it wasn't a big tip - I understand how times are and what they make so I have no problem tipping just alittle bit.

 

[blackjack avenger]

Give a Bananna and Go to Jail!

Not me, especially not in a store where dealers keep their own tips. I will never tip a dealer after he makes a mistake in my favor, because I don't like jail and I don't think the dealer does either.

Very interesting point AM.

 

[Renzey]

I had a 19 and stayed, he pulled a 20 and paid me.
I am an honest player but I also read on here that if it happens, then don't say anything and take the money as a win. Am I in the wrong for the dealer mistake?

As a bookseller, it's probably politically incorrect for me to voice an opinion on such a sensitive topic. But after reading so many "one-way" replies, I feel obligated put my two cents in for those who might believe that if you lose the hand, it should cost you your bet.

Indeed, most casinos will treat AP's in a way that's not entirely fair. But I simply like myself better when I know I still played it according to the "spirit" of the game. Just a personal stance, and I respect all others.

 

[callipygian]

I only put a dollar to ride on my hands 5 times so it wasn't a big tip - I understand how times are and what they make so I have no problem tipping just alittle bit.

Just to clarify, I have no problems with tipping. I tip a fair amount myself.

I'm just saying that if you're tipping $1's at $5 blackjack, and doing it multiple times, it probably means you're not playing with an advantage unless you've got a huge spread or unless the dealer is really sloppy. And if you're not playing with an advantage over the house, it really shouldn't bother you that the casino throws you an extra bet now and then.

 

[Diver]

Indeed

rpd, when it's your own hand, correct or don't correct as you see fit, it's up to you.

What's NOT cool is correcting error's on other people's hands if it was in their favor.

I had a hand where the dealer made a mistake in my favor and before I could point it out by asking "is that right?" which I intended to do, another player jumped in and said "you're not going to pay that off, are you?" It really ticked me off because not only did it not allow me to manage my hand, it potentially made it look like I was going to let it slide. Maybe not a big deal to the dealer, but it still was annoying. On the flip side a dealer miscounted his 22 as 21 and another player and I were both on it immediately. The dealer had to call the pit boss over, explain the error and we moved on. But it's clear that dealer errors either way will draw attention to that dealer which I'm sure they'd rather avoid.

 

[GeorgeD]

I'm generally a pretty honest guy ... return too much change to the cashier or teller. Partly since banks will can someone after 2-3 mistakes and most get caught,

I feel differently towards the casino. Must be that trying to win money rather than buy milk or cash a check has different standards in my head. I see the casinos greedier and fleecing people, so they don't deserve my respect.

Dealers can get canned, but it's hard to catch the mistakes, and they should be better at handling the money/chips than a store.

I WOULD NEVER correct an overpayment on another players hand, but once had another player speak up when the dealer started to wrongly take my bet. Another time a guy noticed a green in my reds when I colored up. I thanked the other players ... kind of felt like they deserved a tip, but figured than might be insulting. Would have offered him a coffee or drink, but they were comped. Should I have done anything more?


QUOTE=Diver;98900]I had a hand where the dealer made a mistake in my favor and before I could point it out by asking "is that right?" which I intended to do, another player jumped in and said "you're not going to pay that off, are you?" It really ticked me off because not only did it not allow me to manage my hand, it potentially made it look like I was going to let it slide. Maybe not a big deal to the dealer, but it still was annoying. On the flip side a dealer miscounted his 22 as 21 and another player and I were both on it immediately. The dealer had to call the pit boss over, explain the error and we moved on. But it's clear that dealer errors either way will draw attention to that dealer which I'm sure they'd rather avoid.[/QUOTE]

 

[Kasi]

Unless the dealer makes a mistake like that every 20 hands, you're probably not making a profit in the long run.

Probably alot more hands than that would still make it profitable