Is it ever acceptable to...

[bj bob]

BJBob:
(6D, H17, DOA, DAS, RSA=0, RSP=4)
Ev = -0.614755% | Var = 23.995893%
data provided courtesy of Cacarulo


Hand Standing Hitting Doubling Splitting Probability
6,6 vs 4 -0.19688 -0.2103 -0.4206 0.010624 0.00044
6,6 vs 3 -0.24049 -0.23222 -0.46444 -0.09282 0.00044

Splitting has the only + result

and just for comparison purposes with fr0g's sim:
T,2 vs 6 -0.12148 -0.17057 -0.34114 -------- 0.003677

fr0g' sim come pretty close.

BJC

Thanks BJC,
Since I play only pitch games, could you run the same numbers but with nDAS, which I am assuming would yield a much closer call.

 

[bjcount]

Thanks BJC,
Since I play only pitch games, could you run the same numbers but with nDAS, which I am assuming would yield a much closer call.

I have them in saved files, but they are either h17 or s17, all are DAS.
Maybe fr0g can run the sim for you.

Here are the SD, DD #s:
EDIT: data provided courtesy of Cacarulo
Hand Standing Hitting Doubling Splitting Probability

1D, S17, DOA, RSA=0, RSP=4
6,6 vs 4 -0.15188 -0.19011 -0.38023 -0.01407 0.000362
6,6 vs 3 -0.21103 -0.22213 -0.44427 -0.12147 0.000362

2D, S17, DOA, DAS, RSA=0, RSP=4
6,6 vs 4 -0.18343 -0.20262 -0.40523 0.057584 0.00041
6,6 vs 3 -0.23295 -0.2283 -0.45659 -0.05653 0.00041


BJC

 

[Automatic Monkey]

If you are looking for an act- try this.
Get the pit boss involved in conversation. find anything to agree with and put your hand up and say "high 5". Leave your hand up until he follows thru. Do it again a minute or so later. He'll avoid your table the rest of your session.

Especially if you put your hand down your pants occasionally.

 

[White Guy]

according to k_c's tdca:

Does that mean you lose 33$ an hour if you double hard 12 and 15 if you stay?? Or???? WHat bet spread is that based on?? I am still trying to figure sims out.
Thanks

 

[Kasi]

and just for comparison purposes with fr0g's sim:
T,2 vs 6 -0.12148 -0.17057 -0.34114 -------- 0.003677
fr0g' sim come pretty close.

Frog assumed an S17 game (even if you can't tell from the screen shot) for the T,2 vs 6 and is correct. k-c's software is absolutely "righton" lol.

You're correct too but for an H17 game. Cacarulo doesn't make mistakes either lol.

 

[Kasi]

Does that mean you lose 33$ an hour if you double hard 12 and 15 if you stay?? Or???? WHat bet spread is that based on?? I am still trying to figure sims out.
Thanks

No lol. Frog was just using a probability calculator. The -15 is a percentage indicating your expected value, "EV", when you are dealt a Ten,2 vs a dealer 6. So, if you bet $1 and stay, as you should of course, you expect to lose 15 cents.

The -33 is how much you'd expect to lose as a percentage of your original bet if you doubled.

Not a sim at all.

 

[sagefr0g]

Yo Fr0gman! Could you run the same setup with 6,6 v 3/4 Stand v. split so we can all see the exact difference in EV? You da man! (amphibian).

Kasi was right i set the 12vs6 up for a s17das game. dunno why i assumed that game.
dunno how he knew i did it that way either, the enigmatic one scares me at times, lol.

so here it is for 66 vs 3 and 66 vs 4 for a s17das 6d game, but i don't think you play those.

 

[Kasi]

It didn't equal Craculo which was H17 so it had to be S17 lol.

Actually I called FLASH because he has all those EV tables memorized.

OK - so I looked it up in Don's book lol.

Say, does k-c's stuff generate win, loss, tie stuff after you remove the cards?

Can it give percents for how often the player will reach a total rather than the usual EV stuff it gives for the player?

What's that "hole-card" option all about?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

If you insist on split plays for cover, consider splitting 3's or possibly 2's instead of 6's. The loss in EV should be much less.

 

[sagefr0g]

It didn't equal Craculo which was H17 so it had to be S17 lol.

Actually I called FLASH because he has all those EV tables memorized.

OK - so I looked it up in Don's book lol.

Say, does k-c's stuff generate win, loss, tie stuff after you remove the cards?

Can it give percents for how often the player will reach a total rather than the usual EV stuff it gives for the player?

What's that "hole-card" option all about?

yeah i figured it was something like that culio stuff or FLASH or even more likely Schlesinger.

i don't think k-c's stuff generates win, loss, tie stuff after removing cards.

dunno about percents of a player reaching a total, but i think that's what it does for the dealer given a dealer's upcard and what ever cards are removed.

the hole card option goes like this:
Clicking the 'Know Hole Card' radio button computes expected values assuming dealer's hole card is known or will be known at the time player chooses his/her strategy

 

[sagefr0g]

warning voodoo

No lol. Frog was just using a probability calculator. The -15 is a percentage indicating your expected value, "EV", when you are dealt a Ten,2 vs a dealer 6. So, if you bet $1 and stay, as you should of course, you expect to lose 15 cents.

The -33 is how much you'd expect to lose as a percentage of your original bet if you doubled.

Not a sim at all.

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