Is It Hard For You To Stay Quiet When Ppl Use Ploppy Logic At The Tables?

[bluewhale]

Everyone ever tell you you need to play consistently?
"You have to be consistent."
"I don't care how anyone plays, as long as their consistent."
"If you want to hit 16, fine. If you want to stand on 16, fine. But choose one and stick with it."

I really wish I could explain index plays to them, but...

completely forgot about this one, gotta remember to keep this in my arsenal.

when i get an objectable move (A7 vs 9), i instantly hit w/o drawing any attention. if someone comments, i just say i something stupid like "i felt a 10 in the hole", "i was feeling like gambling", "whoops", or "o ****, i had an 18?"

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

is this how you guys want me to post? like this? i bet somebody still complains

do any of the following type remarks from ppl at the table turn you into a teacher?

"you screwed up the whole table by making that move"
"always assume the dealer has a 10"
"always take even money, its a guaranteed win"
"18 is a winning hand, why mess it up"
etc

i know nobody likes a know it all, and at some casinos its probably best not to let the pit hear you talking like an AP, ......


Any other questions?

im confused, what are you asking? you just repeated what i said

Anyone else have a moral quandry if they get asked by another player for advice on a hand, when they themselves are trying to do something stupid?

You know, like when it's a very positive count, and a civilian asks you if he should stand on his 15v10, or double down on a 10v10. Normally I'd feel a certain obligation to offer the correct basic strategy advice, even though I might be deviating on that very same hand! But if he followed your lead instead, he'll probably start doubling 10v10 all the time, and that would make you a horrible horrible person.

anytime somebody attacks you, regardless of anything, you should defend yourself, especially if that person is an idiot.. for instance everytime i say a bold statement on here telling someone they are wrong (when in fact im wrong) i get attacked back and proved wrong, which is a good thing.. i know getting backed off is for real, BUT people are overreacting, and seem to get off and being secretive like they are in the cia.. you are playing blackjack, your life is not on the line, and most of you probably arent doing much to get backed off (betting less than $100 or something).. but on the flip side, it shows you have more self control than me, because there is no way i could sit there w/ out asking them "how many books have you read? where are you getting your information? let me guess, your selective memory short run experience right? you have no idea what you are talking about" i must say something to that degree, and then whip out some numbers and percentages, which usually shut them up, unless they are too far into ploppyland..

on the occasion that the pit isnt watching, and the casino is slow, I will offer advice if asked. but never tell other people how to wager their money. its terribly annoying, and draws the wrong kind of attention to play. ususally I say its bad luck, and offer some superstitious response like "my mojo just aint workin' right now" (Dead link: http://chronicle.com/subscribe/login?url=/weekly/v49/i11/11b01601.htm)

agreed. the only times you offer advice is if somebody offers another player or the whole table terrible advice, because some of these players are still young and ripe, and are being molded by ploppys, and the other time you do it is if you are attacked, which is pretty obvious, how can you sit there while the table is bashing u

I was at my local casino,minding my own business. Dealer deals me A/7,dealers upcard is a 10 so I take a hit. This ploppy to my right says in a "all knowing" tone "that's an 18 'ya know"!
I should have replied "oh really"? but I guess my blood sugar was low or something and I replied " yes, that's a soft 18- with it you stand on dealer's upcards 2,7,or8 you double down on 3 through 6 and you take a hit on 9,10,orAce". He immediately got up and walked away.

Everyone ever tell you you need to play consistently?
"You have to be consistent."
"I don't care how anyone plays, as long as their consistent."
"If you want to hit 16, fine. If you want to stand on 16, fine. But choose one and stick with it."

I really wish I could explain index plays to them, but...

actually, the consistency thing makes sense for ONE REASON.. that it messes with your head.. when i played basic strategy, not one time did i ever deviate from it, and it was not hard to make my decisions, and i regretted nothing, but now that i have started counting, i have to quickly estimate the true count (not that good at it yet)

 

[shadroch]

is this how you guys want me to post? like this? i bet somebody still complains

im confused, what are you asking? you just repeated what i said




You wrote that you never claimed to be an AP. I quoted you saying the very thing you denied ever saying.



anytime somebody attacks you, regardless of anything, you should defend yourself, especially if that person is an idiot.. for instance everytime i say a bold statement on here telling someone they are wrong (when in fact im wrong) i get attacked back and proved wrong, which is a good thing.. i know getting backed off is for real, BUT people are overreacting, and seem to get off and being secretive like they are in the cia.. you are playing blackjack, your life is not on the line, and most of you probably arent doing much to get backed off (betting less than $100 or something).. but on the flip side, it shows you have more self control than me, because there is no way i could sit there w/ out asking them "how many books have you read? where are you getting your information? let me guess, your selective memory short run experience right? you have no idea what you are talking about" i must say something to that degree, and then whip out some numbers and percentages, which usually shut them up, unless they are too far into ploppyland..



agreed. the only times you offer advice is if somebody offers another player or the whole table terrible advice, because some of these players are still young and ripe, and are being molded by ploppys, and the other time you do it is if you are attacked, which is pretty obvious, how can you sit there while the table is bashing u





actually, the consistency thing makes sense for ONE REASON.. that it messes with your head.. when i played basic strategy, not one time did i ever deviate from it, and it was not hard to make my decisions, and i regretted nothing, but now that i have started counting, i have to quickly estimate the true count (not that good at it yet)

Yes,it is much easier if you post like this,rather than seperate posts for each comment.

NEVER,EVER talk about books you have read,or how much you know or try to quote statistics to anyone at a table. EVER. BJ is not a team sport,there is zero advantage to be gained arguing with strangers even if you know you are right.If someone is annoying you either move to another table or start making such stupid moves that he leaves.

 

[bluewhale]

NEVER,EVER talk about books you have read,or how much you know or try to quote statistics to anyone at a table. EVER. BJ is not a team sport,there is zero advantage to be gained arguing with strangers even if you know you are right.If someone is annoying you either move to another table or start making such stupid moves that he leaves.

this is VERY good advice IMO. one thing to add... i always try to stay likeable at the table because you can get a LOT of EV through scavenger play (taking good doubles and splits).

the only time i break the "don't talk smart" thing is if i see someone who is new, smart, or willing to learn. i use a lot of caution and won't really talk to them on the table. some respected people on here might say to, even then, not say anything, and i can't really disagree. if in doubt at all, its better not to say anything of that nature.

 

[shadroch]

I will try to help new players that ask for it. But if anyone else at the table gives different advice,I'm not aurguing with them.

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

is this how you guys want me to post? like this? i bet somebody still complains

Yes,it is much easier if you post like this,rather than seperate posts for each comment.

NEVER,EVER talk about books you have read,or how much you know or try to quote statistics to anyone at a table. EVER. BJ is not a team sport,there is zero advantage to be gained arguing with strangers even if you know you are right.If someone is annoying you either move to another table or start making such stupid moves that he leaves.

you make a good point, and i already know this, but on the other hand, i think its awsome to make an angry ploppy look like a fool by using AP logic (not just, i read a book, im right!).. the other day at resorts these people were talking trash to me and i let them know they have no idea what they are talking about, where they got their knowledge from, etc, and asked them if they even know the count, and they said "your counting?" and i said "yes" and they stfu from then on and these 2 thug dudes were looking at me like i was smart as hell (when i was just using hi-lo and estimating the true count, not a big deal).. i bet all of you are thinking "what an idiot! the pit crew might hear".. so? im flat betting $10, wtf do they care, i even talked with the dealer about the count, and it was crazy, he actually knew what he was talking about, and i was like whoa, somebody who works at a casino knows what they are saying? thats a change of pace.. i say this all the time, and it is my opinion.. i think some people try to be more covert than they really need to be, just because they feel cool doing it like they are cia or some ****.. if there was no chance of getting backed off, are you saying you would still ignore them when they are insulting you and yelling at you? also, another thing.. if you keep going to the same casino all the time, you will eventually see the same people, and if all of those same people know you as an AP, then they will shut up, but if you just sit there in silence, they will keep going at you, and trust me, ive seen it before, and its a sad sight watching some old chinese guy get yelled at and have fingers pointed at him by other players and have him not say a word, to which i stand up for him

 

[Bojack1]

you make a good point, and i already know this, but on the other hand, i think its awsome to make an angry ploppy look like a fool by using AP logic (not just, i read a book, im right!).. the other day at resorts these people were talking trash to me and i let them know they have no idea what they are talking about, where they got their knowledge from, etc, and asked them if they even know the count, and they said "your counting?" and i said "yes" and they stfu from then on and these 2 thug dudes were looking at me like i was smart as hell (when i was just using hi-lo and estimating the true count, not a big deal).. i bet all of you are thinking "what an idiot! the pit crew might hear".. so? im flat betting $10, wtf do they care, i even talked with the dealer about the count, and it was crazy, he actually knew what he was talking about, and i was like whoa, somebody who works at a casino knows what they are saying? thats a change of pace.. i say this all the time, and it is my opinion.. i think some people try to be more covert than they really need to be, just because they feel cool doing it like they are cia or some ****.. if there was no chance of getting backed off, are you saying you would still ignore them when they are insulting you and yelling at you? also, another thing.. if you keep going to the same casino all the time, you will eventually see the same people, and if all of those same people know you as an AP, then they will shut up, but if you just sit there in silence, they will keep going at you, and trust me, ive seen it before, and its a sad sight watching some old chinese guy get yelled at and have fingers pointed at him by other players and have him not say a word, to which i stand up for him

To each his own on this topic but my opinion differs from yours. I do not count or play with an advantage to get the accolades of others. I don't care what others think about my play. As a matter of fact I have found by just being confident in what you are doing when you play, shuts people up more than engaging in arguments on who's smarter or more well read on the game of blackjack. Even the most obnoxious ploppies will at times become nervous and agonize over certain plays they make. Thats due to the fact that as confident as they think they are, when it comes down to it they're just guessing at what to do sometimes. As an experienced AP there is no guessing, every move made is already pre determined by the math of the system you are using. By making your plays as you see fit with no song or dance to the crowd, you establish yourself in a silent but strong manner that others either respect, or hate because they are jealous that they can't be as confident. Those that hate are usually cowards and will leave the table as soon as they are exposed. Of course some AP's feel the need to cover their play by acting nervous and guessing at decisions about play, but at that point the act should not include a history of how to play blackjack. I am a firm believer in picking your fights. I don't sweat the small stuff. Someones ignorant opinion on blackjack will not instigate me, I find it at best amusing or most times just irrelevant. Confidence and discipline can go a long way in being able to handle another's big mouth. I have found those with the biggest mouths have the smallest bite. I found out a long time ago that you can not be intimidated by those that are intimidated by you, and you will recognize those that are, by how loudly they speak. That bit of knowledge makes it easy to keep quite during a ploppies tirade.

 

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

Winning is what shuts up the ploppies. I hit that soft 18 too every time against certain cards a ploppy wouldn't dare. And if I go stiff against a dealer high upcard? I hit it again! Boy does that flip out some of them.

But it doesn't matter. I like people and don't mind consorting with the locals save for the fact that they get in the way when they get too chatty. Maybe next time I'll bring my girlfriend along just to draw these talkative ones away from me in the middle of a good shoe.

But I never dispense advice unless asked for. It's a good way to start an argument. Someone asks what to do with two eights I'll tell them. However if I tell them to split them as unsolicited advice and they lose both? Well they're gonna get angry and blame me. So I stay to myself more than normal.

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

To each his own on this topic but my opinion differs from yours. I do not count or play with an advantage to get the accolades of others. I don't care what others think about my play. As a matter of fact I have found by just being confident in what you are doing when you play, shuts people up more than engaging in arguments on who's smarter or more well read on the game of blackjack. Even the most obnoxious ploppies will at times become nervous and agonize over certain plays they make. Thats due to the fact that as confident as they think they are, when it comes down to it they're just guessing at what to do sometimes. As an experienced AP there is no guessing, every move made is already pre determined by the math of the system you are using. By making your plays as you see fit with no song or dance to the crowd, you establish yourself in a silent but strong manner that others either respect, or hate because they are jealous that they can't be as confident. Those that hate are usually cowards and will leave the table as soon as they are exposed. Of course some AP's feel the need to cover their play by acting nervous and guessing at decisions about play, but at that point the act should not include a history of how to play blackjack. I am a firm believer in picking your fights. I don't sweat the small stuff. Someones ignorant opinion on blackjack will not instigate me, I find it at best amusing or most times just irrelevant. Confidence and discipline can go a long way in being able to handle another's big mouth. I have found those with the biggest mouths have the smallest bite. I found out a long time ago that you can not be intimidated by those that are intimidated by you, and you will recognize those that are, by how loudly they speak. That bit of knowledge makes it easy to keep quite during a ploppies tirade.

well said.. like i said tho, i am weak in that department.. but seriously, what do i gain by proving they are the idiot? i understand that but i cant help it.. but on the flip side, i dont lose anything by telling them whats what either (unless they dont ask for it, then i just look like an idiot)

 

[SecurityRisk]

is this how you guys want me to post? like this? i bet somebody still complains

actually, the consistency thing makes sense for ONE REASON.. that it messes with your head.. when i played basic strategy, not one time did i ever deviate from it, and it was not hard to make my decisions, and i regretted nothing, but now that i have started counting, i have to quickly estimate the true count (not that good at it yet)

Well, I know that those who play basic strategy should play consistently. It's just that I get some players yelling at me for the way I should play, and that I should play consistently. You know, I screwed up the table because the last time I had a 12 vs. dealers 12 (yes, that's what they call a dealer's two) I hit, but this time I stood. That's when they tell me that I need be consistent.

 

[Mimosine]

To each his own on this topic but my opinion differs from yours. I do not count or play with an advantage to get the accolades of others. I don't care what others think about my play. As a matter of fact I have found by just being confident in what you are doing when you play, shuts people up more than engaging in arguments on who's smarter or more well read on the game of blackjack.

some of the wisest words in this thread ^ ^ ^