It can't be this easy!

[gracewriter]

I just found out about online blackjack. I didn't know you could make actual cash playing.

I once turned $10.00 into $8,000 at Vegas casino in about a week. I'd never played the game before. After a while I started figuring out how to play it. It was unbelievably easy but figured it must have been beginner's luck so I never played again.

Last night I won 12,000 playing those free download games. The first $4,000 was so easy I had a feeling they were making it easy so they could get me to spend money. It was very suspicious. So I started the game again and sure enough I won another $4,000 rather quickly.

So I then downloaded the free play software from another site but this was MUCH MORE difficult and took me a few hours to make that $4,000 dollars I made on first two a whole lot quicker.

While I was playing the second game I started applying some of the rules of day trading (shoot for nice little consistent profits), which is don't be greedy, bid conservatively while winning and bid a little heavier when losing to recoup the loss. I don't know how I figured this out, but it seemed to work beautifully.

Still, maybe I am a good player? Or maybe that software isn't realistic until you play with actual money?

Do you think the Free practice software is rigged?

 

[sagefr0g]

I just found out about online blackjack. I didn't know you could make actual cash playing.

I once turned $10.00 into $8,000 at Vegas casino in about a week. I'd never played the game before. After a while I started figuring out how to play it. It was unbelievably easy but figured it must have been beginner's luck so I never played again.

Last night I won 12,000 playing those free download games. The first $4,000 was so easy I had a feeling they were making it easy so they could get me to spend money. It was very suspicious. So I started the game again and sure enough I won another $4,000 rather quickly.

So I then downloaded the free play software from another site but this was MUCH MORE difficult and took me a few hours to make that $4,000 dollars I made on first two a whole lot quicker.

While I was playing the second game I started applying some of the rules of day trading (shoot for nice little consistent profits), which is don't be greedy, bid conservatively while winning and bid a little heavier when losing to recoup the loss. I don't know how I figured this out, but it seemed to work beautifully.

Still, maybe I am a good player? Or maybe that software isn't realistic until you play with actual money?

Do you think the Free practice software is rigged?

every thing in life is rigged. it's your job to figure out how and re-rig it. :joker:

 

[UK-21]

Yes.

I've never lost when playing the free practice games for the first time. I think that a special game loads when you log on to the server and the IP address assigned to your computer is a completely new one, ie you've never logged to that server before.

The first time I played at Bodog I managed to end up with a notional $7,000 from my starting notional roll of $1000 in less than an hour. At another the first three hands pulling a 21 had me in stiches - don't know what the chances of pulling 3 x 21 hands out of the first three dealt are, but I bet I've more chance of travelling home from work on a flying carpet one evening.

Take these results with a large pinch of salt.

Newb99

 

[EasyRhino]

Still, maybe I am a good player?

Nope.

Or maybe that software isn't realistic until you play with actual money?

Maybe, it depends on the casino software. Some online shops will make their games "looser" (more of a slot thing, but they could rig table games too I suppose), while some have the "practice mode" games use exactly the same rules. I don't know of a good way to tell.

I have, however, played a ton of real money blackjack on online casinos, and I can tell you, the results are perfectly consistent over the long term with what you'd expect from blackjack having a small house advantage with fairly high variance in short term results.

 

[gracewriter]

Nope.

with what you'd expect from blackjack having a small house advantage with fairly high variance in short term results.

Could you explain what you mean by this?

and...how realistic is it for someone to make a few hundred extra a month playing online blackjack. How much capitol investment would that require?

Thanks

 

[davidpom]

On the whole, I've found online casinos to play the same way as in a real land based casino. I.e. sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Sometimes you get streaks of winning hands, sometimes you don't. Basically, whilst playing online is never as good as actually "being there", the long term mathematical results should be similar to playing a "real game" (assuming that the online casino you choose to play in is reputable).

Re amounts etc to win? Nothing is guaranteed. Skill certainly helps, but luck is a factor each time you play too.

 

[gracewriter]

On the whole, I've found online casinos to play the same way as in a real land based casino. I.e. sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Sometimes you get streaks of winning hands, sometimes you don't. Basically, whilst playing online is never as good as actually "being there", the long term mathematical results should be similar to playing a "real game" (assuming that the online casino you choose to play in is reputable).

Re amounts etc to win? Nothing is guaranteed. Skill certainly helps, but luck is a factor each time you play too.

Thanks for getting back to me. I've got mixed feelings now about doing this because I read a professional saying I'd need at least $5,000 to be able to ever make any money and if I don't have that much to put up, then I should walk away. I'll never have that much to start out with.

It's tempting to walk away, but the back of my mind keeps reminding me of turning that $10.00 into $8,000 when I had no idea what I was doing.

Can you recommend any online BJ games that are more realistic to the ones you play with real money?

Thanks for your help.

 

[EasyRhino]

Could you explain what you mean by this?
and...how realistic is it for someone to make a few hundred extra a month playing online blackjack. How much capitol investment would that require?

Grace, I apologize for not being particularly clear before. I would like to be crystal clear now.

When you gamble online, any game, including blackjack, the casinos always have an advantage. You will lose, eventually.

Every hand, even if you play perfect basic strategy, the casino is going to have an advantage of around 0.5%. Your short term results can vary widely (as you've seen) that' the "variance". No one ever loses exactly 50 cents every $100, that would be too boring, no one would gamble.

But the house edge is forever, and it never goes away. The more you bet, the more it costs you. The longer you play, the more it costs you. It grinds every body into dust.

There is a way to extract money from online casinos, and that's by skillful exploitation of promotional bonuses. The site beatingbonuses.com is a pretty good resource for this.

So, this $10 that turned into $8k, was that also with play money? Because it's extraordinarily unlikely to be able to inflate your starting stake by 800x. I'm thinking the odds are around half a percent. If you were playing with fake money, then that casino was indeed probably rigged. If you were playing with real money, then congratulations, and recommend quitting, and then you'll be a lifetime winner.

To give you an idea of how luck can swing the other way, a couple weeks ago I was playing bonuses with a somewhat risky strategy where I either lost my entire deposit, or I got at least 3x my initial stake. The odds of losing any individual deposit were around 75%. I ended up losing twenty-two deposits in a row before I was able to triple the buyin.

 

[gracewriter]

Grace, I apologize for not being particularly clear before. I would like to be crystal clear now.

When you gamble online, any game, including blackjack, the casinos always have an advantage. You will lose, eventually.

Every hand, even if you play perfect basic strategy, the casino is going to have an advantage of around 0.5%. Your short term results can vary widely (as you've seen) that' the "variance". No one ever loses exactly 50 cents every $100, that would be too boring, no one would gamble.

But the house edge is forever, and it never goes away. The more you bet, the more it costs you. The longer you play, the more it costs you. It grinds every body into dust.

There is a way to extract money from online casinos, and that's by skillful exploitation of promotional bonuses. The site beatingbonuses.com is a pretty good resource for this.

So, this $10 that turned into $8k, was that also with play money? Because it's extraordinarily unlikely to be able to inflate your starting stake by 800x. I'm thinking the odds are around half a percent. If you were playing with fake money, then that casino was indeed probably rigged. If you were playing with real money, then congratulations, and recommend quitting, and then you'll be a lifetime winner.

To give you an idea of how luck can swing the other way, a couple weeks ago I was playing bonuses with a somewhat risky strategy where I either lost my entire deposit, or I got at least 3x my initial stake. The odds of losing any individual deposit were around 75%. I ended up losing twenty-two deposits in a row before I was able to triple the buyin.

It was real money I was playing with. I guess I just got lucky and should maybe walk away and forget about it. When I sat down at the BJ table I asked the people around me what I should do. They were very kind and helped me understand how to play the game. I"d show them my cards and they'd tell me what to do.

This went on for a couple of days. Then I started figuring out what to do myself. I kept winning. I've never had so much fun in my life making money. I remember sort of "counting" how many cards with the value of 10 were played and then listened to my "gut." If I lost three hands in a row, I'd walk away and come back later.

I didn't know this game was this hard to play. It's very disappointing.

 

[EasyRhino]

You know, everyone once in a while you hear the story of turning a tiny amount of money into a crapton. One dealer at Mandalay Bay mentioned a player who came in with $500, won the bet, and then proceeded to run it up to about $150,000 that night. (he also lost it the next day). But on a percentage basis, you did better that that guy. Also, you walked away a winner.

I didn't know this game was this hard to play.

No, it's fairly easy to play, it's just hard to win. :grin:

 

[InPlay]

There is a famous saying, "Their is a sucker born every minute." You are about to become one very shortly.

 

[gracewriter]

There is a famous saying, "Their is a sucker born every minute." You are about to become one very shortly.

There's no reason to be insulting. I would expect this kind of rhetoric if I were coming on here trying to scam/spam. A true measure of a person's wealth is not only by his pocket book, but by his kindness and generosity of knowledge.

The best way to master an art is through teaching. It's a shame you missed the opportunity and didn't at least answer my fundamental question.

Which is, CAN ANYONE recommend a learning software that isn't rigged? There's no point in practicing on software that keeps giving me BJs three times in a row.

Any help with this would be much appreciated.

I may never gamble with real money again, but I am determined to master my own skills in this arena. Besides a hurricane is about to hit my coastline and it would be nice to have some software in my computer before I lose internet access.

Thanks in advance

 

[InPlay]

There's no reason to be insulting. I would expect this kind of rhetoric if I were coming on here trying to scam/spam. A true measure of a person's wealth is not only by his pocket book, but by his kindness and generosity of knowledge.

The best way to master an art is through teaching. It's a shame you missed the opportunity and didn't at least answer my fundamental question.

Which is, CAN ANYONE recommend a learning software that isn't rigged? There's no point in practicing on software that keeps giving me BJs three times in a row.

Any help with this would be much appreciated.

I may never gamble with real money again, but I am determined to master my own skills in this arena. Besides a hurricane is about to hit my coastline and it would be nice to have some software in my computer before I lose internet access.

Thanks in advance

If it is rigged whats the point. Thats fantasyland and thats not the way it works in the real world you might as well go to Disenyland.

 

[gracewriter]

If it is rigged whats the point. Thats fantasyland and thats not the way it works in the real world you might as well go to Disenyland.

If what is rigged? are you saying all learning software for online black jack is rigged? Are you saying all online blackjack is rigged so what's the point?

Is that our opinion?

 

[InPlay]

If what is rigged? are you saying all learning software for online black jack is rigged? Are you saying all online blackjack is rigged so what's the point?

Is that our opinion?

Yep. They make it look easy to win. Then you throw the hook out and reel in the fish. It's trolling for suckers. Are all online bj rigged ? I don't have the slighest clue but then I also don't hear of anyone bragging of their winning from online BJ. Go to a real brick and motar casino. Are you that rich that you want to give you money away or are you that stupid?

 

[Kasi]

There's no reason to be insulting.

Don't worry about it - that's about all he has to offer. You're not the first and I doubt if you will be the last.

Which is, CAN ANYONE recommend a learning software that isn't rigged? There's no point in practicing on software that keeps giving me BJs three times in a row.

Just my opinion, the best is CVBJ but you have to buy it. The reason it's the best is becasue it will track errors for you, etc. There's plenty of stuff on the internet, the BJ trainer here, maybe card-counting.com but it might require more effort to know the frequency of any counting or BS errors long-term etc.

I would never play at an internet casino whose practice software is rigged. Determining how and whether it's "rigged" is another story lol.

Depending on goals, time played, level of risk, etc., say if you were to invest an 8000 unit roll (your $8K at some internet $1 min game), even without a bonus, you could last one heck of a long time, millions and millions and millions of hands, longer than you will likely live, and that's just flat-betting, and still have a 50-50 chance of not losing that $8K, if some of the internet games I used to play still exist. A bunch of them absolutey didn't, and never will, exist in "real-life".

With bonuses, you're likely the casino and they, likely, the "ploppy".

Of course, turning $8K into $64MM, is another story

All the major software providers on the internet were "fair" to me. One game was 2.99 stan dev ahead, one was -2.87 stan dev behind (for a flat-bettor). Not enough for me to label any of them "crooked".

At least on the internet, the house edge is constant since they re-shuffle after every hand. No cut-card effect, no variance from +EV to -EV. Any BS composition-dependent hands will always be what they are - you can rely that they are the right play 100% of the time.

Not sure what your goal is - play on the internet, with or without bonuses, or play in real-lfe, win so much with so much roll in how long at some risk either way.

Always your money, always your choice.

 

[Doofus]

On a related point

I just purchased a new Rolex Oyster men's watch on the internet for only $100! It's guaranteed genuine! What a deal!

 

[gracewriter]

Yep. They make it look easy to win. Then you throw the hook out and reel in the fish. It's trolling for suckers. Are all online bj rigged ? I don't have the slighest clue but then I also don't hear of anyone bragging of their winning from online BJ. Go to a real brick and motar casino. Are you that rich that you want to give you money away or are you that stupid?

Man, you need to lighten up. There are other ways to inflate your ego other than trying to belittle a person who is trying to ask some honest questions.

Name calling? Didn't your mother tell you it was impolite?

Do you try and make all newcomers feel like a dumb*ss? Or do you randomly pick them out? Or perhaps you have a more scientific approach, like after you've run the numbers and figured percentages then bet heavily that this one must be the most likely stupid person. You must get really excited when you pick a loser. I must make you feel really smart.

Here's a clue... If you don't know the answer to a question, just say, "I don't know." It'll save you a lot of frustration.

 

[Kasi]

Here's a clue...

Here's just a suggestion for you.

Put him on your ignore list.

It's the best AP play ever - no downside whatsoever - you absolutely, positively, cannot lose

 

[InPlay]

You must get really excited when you pick a loser. I must make you feel really smart.

I must be pretty smart I found you out and was trying to save you money by telling you online BJ is wasting your money.