ITS OFFICIAL PART 2
- Thread starter ZenKinG
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This whole thing about vouching for people’s winnings I’ve found interesting. By their own admission, these people have said they are playing solo. That means only they, God and the casinos know what they won. The reason we know Don Johnson’s winnings were real is because the casinos showed the winning receipts to the press. The casinos wanted the public to see how much someone could win from a casino.
I can see how someone can vouch for someone’s character and say they believe the person is telling the truth. I have no problem with that. But if a person is playing for long stretches solo, then only that person knows what he is making.
My favorite one is when people say they saw the person’s records so it confirms he’s telling the truth. A lier can also falsify records.
I’ll remind people several of Ken Uston’s playing partners felt Ken exzagerated his wins.
I can see how someone can vouch for someone’s character and say they believe the person is telling the truth. I have no problem with that. But if a person is playing for long stretches solo, then only that person knows what he is making.
My favorite one is when people say they saw the person’s records so it confirms he’s telling the truth. A lier can also falsify records.
I’ll remind people several of Ken Uston’s playing partners felt Ken exzagerated his wins.
Tater
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I purposely keep people at arms length because they don't realize the work and concentration required at AND away from the table. Now you've got some yoho that wants to watch you play, come up and talk to you while you play, and/or teach them to play. O yes, let me teach this guy (for free) and maybe I will get a warm fuzzy feeling. So I'm about as far from a blackjack groupie as you can get.
But there is always that guy in the sportsbook that inevitably had the 17 point dog straight up the upset of the season. Of course, no one ever sees him at the window or the ticket. And by mid-week is wanting to borrow 60 bucks for a battery to put in his van which he sleeps in - with his cats.
To this type of guy the saying goes, "next time you have a thought, let it go."
Now the guys the I presume are making money are very hard workers, focused, and disciplined. They wouldn't give two balloons about "vouching" for anyone. They never ask for another opinion or offer their opinion. In fact, it pisses them off when bothered. If you strolled up and ask them their earnings? They'd probably take a swing at you. Giving or asking for picks? A huge no-no. Oh, I can hear the roar of laughter now, "hey guys, Tater here thinks we should set up a boot camp and teach people how to handicap."
It's night and day to spot in person. Evidently, not so clear for some to spot on a forum or the internet.
But there is always that guy in the sportsbook that inevitably had the 17 point dog straight up the upset of the season. Of course, no one ever sees him at the window or the ticket. And by mid-week is wanting to borrow 60 bucks for a battery to put in his van which he sleeps in - with his cats.
To this type of guy the saying goes, "next time you have a thought, let it go."Now the guys the I presume are making money are very hard workers, focused, and disciplined. They wouldn't give two balloons about "vouching" for anyone. They never ask for another opinion or offer their opinion. In fact, it pisses them off when bothered. If you strolled up and ask them their earnings? They'd probably take a swing at you. Giving or asking for picks? A huge no-no. Oh, I can hear the roar of laughter now, "hey guys, Tater here thinks we should set up a boot camp and teach people how to handicap."
It's night and day to spot in person. Evidently, not so clear for some to spot on a forum or the internet.
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Good points Tater. I’ve never understood why people should care what so and so made playing bj. If they are confident in themselves, it shouldn’t bother them if someone doesn’t believe their story. When I here stories that stretch credibility, I call it out. I might be wrong but I’m entitled to my opinion.
It’s not that I don’t think a person might not have the game or bankroll to make hundreds of thousands per year playing bj. Yes, in theory it’s possible to do this. But I don’t think there are that many casinos around dumb enough to let it happen. Casinos know the only way to beat them long term is with bet spread, meaning betting more when the deck is favorable to the player. They aren’t going to let someone hammer away at them hour after hour with a huge bet spread, and this is the only way someone is going to be able to win really big money.
Casinos don’t mind someone winning millions from them as long as that person is playing the game the way they’d like you to play it, which means at a disadvantage. But when they see you playing with an advantage betting big money, they are going to stop that pretty quick, especially if the AP is betting big money. They even put a stop to Ben Affleck doing this and he’s a celebrity.
It’s not that I don’t think a person might not have the game or bankroll to make hundreds of thousands per year playing bj. Yes, in theory it’s possible to do this. But I don’t think there are that many casinos around dumb enough to let it happen. Casinos know the only way to beat them long term is with bet spread, meaning betting more when the deck is favorable to the player. They aren’t going to let someone hammer away at them hour after hour with a huge bet spread, and this is the only way someone is going to be able to win really big money.
Casinos don’t mind someone winning millions from them as long as that person is playing the game the way they’d like you to play it, which means at a disadvantage. But when they see you playing with an advantage betting big money, they are going to stop that pretty quick, especially if the AP is betting big money. They even put a stop to Ben Affleck doing this and he’s a celebrity.
Tater
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Ditto bjo32. It might be like when those ole BSer's get caught up in fish stories. The problem here is you might be scaring the crap out of the game warden. Like most corporations, crap flows downhill. So it's not that the casino can't afford to lose to a player, it's the pit boss doesn't want the reputation of his shift getting clobbered. Therefore, some are far more nervous than they need to be because they don't realize how difficult the game really is to beat.
Some have even told me when I see them around they don't mind me supplementing my income a bit. Hell, they know I'm counting and doing something different than the average Joe. So, it's my job to help them understand I'm not going to hurt them. I can. But I won't. I've got too much time on my hands as it is.
Now, for awhile it got in my head I should be knocking down $250k a year zoomin around Vegas on roller blades, counting two tables from mirrors etc,etc. Then I realized, I don't even know how to skate.
Some have even told me when I see them around they don't mind me supplementing my income a bit. Hell, they know I'm counting and doing something different than the average Joe. So, it's my job to help them understand I'm not going to hurt them. I can. But I won't. I've got too much time on my hands as it is.
Now, for awhile it got in my head I should be knocking down $250k a year zoomin around Vegas on roller blades, counting two tables from mirrors etc,etc. Then I realized, I don't even know how to skate.
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Statistics say that some will have these kinds of results. You really don't understand how things work. I grew a BR very quickly red chipping. It wasn't only skill. I couldn't have done it without a lot of luck. I didn't realize it at the time but in retrospect I can see just how fortunate my run to a $100k+ BR was. It took slightly longer than the fellow you don't believe but not much longer. I understand a whole lot more now that I have so much more experience. What you say indicates either you are nowhere near as good as you think you are, or you have not learned much from your experience playing. Either you have little experience or you just don't or can't learn from your experience. I would bet most experienced players find how you sum up your experience playing to indicate you are not the player you see yourself as. There is a lot more to being a winning player than counting perfectly and following a formula (that is about 25% of what you need to know). Most of what you need to know will not be easily found online or in books. Learning it by experience ranges from quick to never depending upon the person. Most are closer to the never end of the spectrum. Having assist you is the quick way to go. Obviously nobody has decided you would make a good student so your only option is to pay someone but you refuse to do that.ZenKinG said:
Instead of thinking karma, look up the law of attraction. In short you back the energy you put out. You put out horrible energy so that is what you attract. No doubt you will prove my point by attacking those that try to help you, me in this instance. If you want to attract "good luck" rather than be "cursed" try being positive in the way you deal with others. It isn't your karma that is your issue it is the energy you put out. You attract results that reflect that energy. So far you have attacked everyone that has tried to help you in this thread and its prequel. I am sure your luck through that hasn't changed.
Hell'nBack
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Do you want to be my psychotherapist? I'll take all the drugs you care to prescribe.Dummy said:
BetWise21
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"There is a lot more to being a winning player than counting perfectly and following a formula (that is about 25% of what you need to know)"
"Most of what you need to know will not be easily found online or in books."
I'm very interested in these statements and what other players think about them.
"Most of what you need to know will not be easily found online or in books."
I'm very interested in these statements and what other players think about them.