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[SplitFaceDisaster]

I ran a CVData Sim and typed out how I was doing it as I went through the setup so you know exactly what I did.

Multi-Tracking Simulator (this has to be on to run playing two hands HU)
Total # of players: 1
Remove seat effect setting turned on
300 million rounds
100 rounds per hour
8 deck
Shuffle Point/Decks: 1.71
No resplit aces
Surrender option on
Of course H17
Playing:
Wong Halves -1 to +12
(not that it would change results much, but just so you know,
from the canned Halves index #s I took out everything that`s not
in the range of -1 to +12)
Betting:
Unit size: 25
TC 0 and below 1 hand of 25
TC 1: 2 hands of 50
TC 2: 2 hands of 100
TC 3: 2 hands of 150
TC 4: 2 hands of 200
Shuffle Bet 1 and reset after shuffle setting on of course
Force shuffle upon exit setting turned on (otherwise it`ll tell you
that there`s no one to deal to after you wong out)
Under sit out/wong:
Start play at shuffle and stop/wong out at -1 TC
Can wong out anytime setting turned on
TC Calc:
Full deck resolution
TC Divisor: Cards in tray
TC Division: Floor
Deck Estimate: Round
Count recalculations: checked all options

PMed you the results; didn`t want to publicly post that part unless you were cool with it.

After I ran it I noticed I still had the first sim I ran for you in the archives. The results of
of the first were basically identical to the second one so I must not have set anything different.
If it makes you feel any better, I`m going through the same thing. In the past 50 or so sessions
I`ve lost in every high TC situation except for a few. Brutal game.

 

[ZenKinG]

I ran a CVData Sim and typed out how I was doing it as I went through the setup so you know exactly what I did.

Multi-Tracking Simulator (this has to be on to run playing two hands HU)
Total # of players: 1
Remove seat effect setting turned on
300 million rounds
100 rounds per hour
8 deck
Shuffle Point/Decks: 1.71
No resplit aces
Surrender option on
Of course H17
Playing:
Wong Halves -1 to +12
(not that it would change results much, but just so you know,
from the canned Halves index #s I took out everything that`s not
in the range of -1 to +12)
Betting:
Unit size: 25
TC 0 and below 1 hand of 25
TC 1: 2 hands of 50
TC 2: 2 hands of 100
TC 3: 2 hands of 150
TC 4: 2 hands of 200
Shuffle Bet 1 and reset after shuffle setting on of course
Force shuffle upon exit setting turned on (otherwise it`ll tell you
that there`s no one to deal to after you wong out)
Under sit out/wong:
Start play at shuffle and stop/wong out at -1 TC
Can wong out anytime setting turned on
TC Calc:
Full deck resolution
TC Divisor: Cards in tray
TC Division: Floor
Deck Estimate: Round
Count recalculations: checked all options

PMed you the results; didn`t want to publicly post that part unless you were cool with it.

After I ran it I noticed I still had the first sim I ran for you in the archives. The results of
of the first were basically identical to the second one so I must not have set anything different.
If it makes you feel any better, I`m going through the same thing. In the past 50 or so sessions
I`ve lost in every high TC situation except for a few. Brutal game.

Thank you SFD. Appreciate the help

 

[SplitFaceDisaster]

Thank you SFD. Appreciate the help

No problem, glad to help.

 

[xengrifter]

I literally never lose when I backcount and play with other players.

Literally? As is matter of fact? Truthfully?

EVERYTIME im HEADS UP with 2 hands I get my ass KICKED.

Every time? EVERYTIME

I guess the reason could be im playing a lot more positive rounds each shoe than when I play with other players, i dont know.

Yes... So you see, you do know the reason. There is no other reason.

 

[SplitFaceDisaster]

For any CVData users that may be interested, the win rate for the sim was way too high, and I figured out why. The sim I ran is for ZK is with the "force shuffle upon exiting table" setting on (under the wong out section), because if you don`t have that option on, it tells you that since you`re running the sim for heads-up then there`s no one to deal to when you wong out and the sim won`t run. I`ve actually never turned that setting on, because I`ve always run my sims with other players. I tested it for a sim of mine and it almost doubled the win rate. Since in ZK`s sim I can`t turn that off for HU, I set it to play all/no wong out and then turned that setting off. That`s the only way to do it unless you add more people playing. Under the help section, all it says for that option is: "When set, the dealer will shuffle when you Wong-out." So I`m not sure what the difference is between having the setting on and not having it on if your "find table delay" time is set to zero after wonging out (start play setting at shuffle, stop play setting at wonging out at -1, not entering the shoe multiple times). Obviously there`s a difference in the way it runs, but I don`t have a clue of how. Anyone know anything about this? I have a feeling this might be something simple, but right now what`s going on is escaping me...

 

[psyduck]

For any CVData users that may be interested, the win rate for the sim was way too high, and I figured out why. The sim I ran is for ZK is with the "force shuffle upon exiting table" setting on (under the wong out section), because if you don`t have that option on, it tells you that since you`re running the sim for heads-up then there`s no one to deal to when you wong out and the sim won`t run. I`ve actually never turned that setting on, because I`ve always run my sims with other players. I tested it for a sim of mine and it almost doubled the win rate. Since in ZK`s sim I can`t turn that off for HU, I set it to play all/no wong out and then turned that setting off. That`s the only way to do it unless you add more people playing. Under the help section, all it says for that option is: "When set, the dealer will shuffle when you Wong-out." So I`m not sure what the difference is between having the setting on and not having it on if your "find table delay" time is set to zero after wonging out (start play setting at shuffle, stop play setting at wonging out at -1, not entering the shoe multiple times). Obviously there`s a difference in the way it runs, but I don`t have a clue of how. Anyone know anything about this? I have a feeling this might be something simple, but right now what`s going on is escaping me...

Your winrate in $/hour is higher when you have the "force shuffle on exit" checked because you played more advantage hands in the same time frame used for winrate calculation. Say you set 100 rounds /hour. If you have that option unchecked (of course with at least another player), you skipped about 86 rounds per hour (waiting for others to finish the shoe) and only played about 14 rounds per hour (if you exit at TC = -1 and do not reenter). Sure you winrate is significantly lower because you played 14 vs 100 advantageous rounds per hour.

 

[SplitFaceDisaster]

Your winrate in $/hour is higher when you have the "force shuffle on exit" checked because you played more advantage hands in the same time frame used for winrate calculation. Say you set 100 rounds /hour. If you have that option unchecked (of course with at least another player), you skipped about 86 rounds per hour (waiting for others to finish the shoe) and only played about 14 rounds per hour (if you exit at TC = -1 and do not reenter). Sure you winrate is significantly lower because you played 14 vs 100 advantageous rounds per hour.

Thanks! I guess I was just assuming that if the "enter shoe multiple times" option was unchecked, it meant the player went to play another table when wonging out, according to what you set the "find table delay" number to. Since I`ve never had to use the force shuffle setting, it was confusing me to how all those option interacted with one another.

 

[ZenKinG]

What do you know, i backcount into a table and as soon as i jump in the guy leaves, leaving me alone with the dealer HEADS UP at +3 and i get clobbered.

To all new players stay away from heads up play with two hands, its a complete and utter SCAM. You have no edge heads up. Mark my words.

 

[gronbog]

I see you're continuing to handle the adversity very well.

 

[BJgenius007]

For any CVData users that may be interested, the win rate for the sim was way too high, and I figured out why. The sim I ran is for ZK is with the "force shuffle upon exiting table" setting on (under the wong out section), because if you don`t have that option on, it tells you that since you`re running the sim for heads-up then there`s no one to deal to when you wong out and the sim won`t run. I`ve actually never turned that setting on, because I`ve always run my sims with other players. I tested it for a sim of mine and it almost doubled the win rate. Since in ZK`s sim I can`t turn that off for HU, I set it to play all/no wong out and then turned that setting off. That`s the only way to do it unless you add more people playing. Under the help section, all it says for that option is: "When set, the dealer will shuffle when you Wong-out."

In reality, there is no casino will shuffle after people leave table. It is just the opposite of preferential shuffling. Every time TC turns negative, people leave, casino shuffle and give people a new fresh shoe, then people come back. It means people will always play positive count shoes. IT WON'T HAPPEN IN REAL WORLD. Such a stupid setting.

 

[Ryemo]

In reality, there is no casino will shuffle after people leave table. It is just the opposite of preferential shuffling. Every time TC turns negative, people leave, casino shuffle and give people a new fresh shoe, then people come back. It means people will always play positive count shoes. IT WON'T HAPPEN IN REAL WORLD. Such a stupid setting.

What are you talking about? I’ve visited multiple casinos where they shuffle after all the patrons leave the table. Especially in HL rooms, but I’ve also experienced this on main floor tables too.

I remember one HL room had 2 tables across from each other and both tables were empty. Once the count would tank on one of them, I’d just move to the next table and start fresh. And once the count tanked at that one, I’d move back again. I did this numerous times over the course of one session.

 

[JohnCrover]

Shuffling on a dead table just saves time. Makes no sense to leave a lot of cards in the discard tray, that would just slow down the game for the next person who comes to the table when they have to shuffle earlier.

 

[ZenKinG]

In reality, there is no casino will shuffle after people leave table. It is just the opposite of preferential shuffling. Every time TC turns negative, people leave, casino shuffle and give people a new fresh shoe, then people come back. It means people will always play positive count shoes. IT WON'T HAPPEN IN REAL WORLD. Such a stupid setting.

Dont talk about stuff you have no idea about. Many casinos actually have a policy if everyone leaves the table, they are forced to shuffle. There are also casinos with the complete opposite policy where they leave the cards in the discard rack.

Now regarding heads up, its a complete scam. I honestly dont give a rats ass what anyone says cause 99% of the people on these forums are frauds. Heads up is a complete scam. Maybe you can win with 1 hand heads up but if you play 2 hands heads up you can say goodbye to your bankroll. The fact that im still up over 53k overall playing strictly shoe games honestly says so much about me. If it wasnt for my perseverance, determination, and skill id be completely fucked because theres not one person on the planet that runs as bad as me.

If my bankroll ever goes under 40k im jumping off the nearest bridge. Im done with this bullshit life. You guys have no idea outside of blackjack as well that ive been so unlucky at as well. You guys just have no idea how much my life has been a complete troll. Surprised i still even have both of my legs and arms. When i look back at my blackjack career ill just laugh. Fucking pathetic and cursed. Of course i wont be surprised either because its just constant adversity at anything i do.

 

[Tater]

Actually ZenKing, I'm a little impressed with you. I don't impress easily. Regardless of the money won or lost, it took courage to do what you've done. Don't be so hard on yourself. Blackjack is one of most difficult competitions you will ever encounter because winning means losing - if that makes sense. I savor the additional options of heads up play. When I'm in the position of power? Damn right I want two hands. When I'm not? O hell no.

The ultimate challenger is the one inside of you. You're fine. A bright young man IMO. Step back. Take a deep breath. Consider your options. Make the right choice. It's just that simple. I believe you will.

 

[Hell'nBack]

What are you talking about? I’ve visited multiple casinos where they shuffle after all the patrons leave the table. Especially in HL rooms, but I’ve also experienced this on main floor tables too.

I remember one HL room had 2 tables across from each other and both tables were empty. Once the count would tank on one of them, I’d just move to the next table and start fresh. And once the count tanked at that one, I’d move back again. I did this numerous times over the course of one session.

My casino shuffles after every dealer change.

 

[psyduck]

I honestly dont give a rats ass what anyone says cause 99% of the people on these forums are frauds.

To say it politely, you are so arrogant and unpleasant.

-Duck Psy

 

[Talmadge]

Maybe you can win with 1 hand heads up but if you play 2 hands heads up you can say goodbye to your bankroll

Next time you are heads up, try playing one hand.

 

[KewlJ]

If my bankroll ever goes under 40k im jumping off the nearest bridge. Im done with this bullshit life. You guys have no idea outside of blackjack as well that ive been so unlucky at as well. You guys just have no idea how much my life has been a complete troll. Surprised i still even have both of my legs and arms. When i look back at my blackjack career ill just laugh. Fucking pathetic and cursed. Of course i wont be surprised either because its just constant adversity at anything i do.

You are the biggest crybaby I have EVER encountered, either on the forums or in life. You were born better off than most, and have been sheltered your whole life, living at home until your late 20's. You haven't faced adversity. You have no idea what adversity is.

I became homeless on my 18th birthday, when my step father kicked me out (stepfather because my father, died when I was 5). I finished my final 3 months of high school living in a men's homeless shelter, getting up a 5am, taking two public transportation buses to get to high school. After school I played on the baseball team and then went to my part-time job at an ice cream parlor before catching the 2 public transportation buses back to the men's shelter for a few hours sleep.

Obviously my plans for college were out the window, so after graduating high school, I boarded a greyhound bus with everything I owned in one duffel bag and moved 1000 miles north to Philadelphia, where I got a job, and a one room apartment and began supporting myself.

After I discovered blackjack and embarked on a career supporting myself by that means, learning everything I could, at age 26, I was again forced to pick up and relocate 2500 miles away where I knew no one, because I had worn out my welcome at my local casinos (Atlantic City).

At Age 28, I underwent open heart surgery to replace two heart valves that had been eaten away by a rare infection. The two valves were supposed to last 25-30 years.

Last year, I underwent a second open heart surgery to replace one of the heart valves that failed after only 6 years (instead of 30).

In April of this year, I lost my partner/spouse, and best friend of 13 years, who I married less than 4 years ago, when he very suddenly and unexpectedly passed. That has devastated my life.

In my mid 30's I am a 2 time open heart surgery survivor, and a widower. Life isn't all cherries, Zenking. It can be shit at times. You take the good and the bad...whatever is thrown at you and you deal with it.

The only thing you get credit for in my book, is you too made the decision to relocate 2500 away from home, where you knew no one, to pursue your dream. So do it. You either beat life or you allow it to beat you.

 

[t3nlavuu]

You are the biggest crybaby I have EVER encountered, either on the forums or in life. You were born better off than most, and have been sheltered your whole life, living at home until your late 20's. You haven't faced adversity. You have no idea what adversity is.

I became homeless on my 18th birthday, when my step father kicked me out (stepfather because my father, died when I was 5). I finished my final 3 months of high school living in a men's homeless shelter, getting up a 5am, taking two public transportation buses to get to high school. After school I played on the baseball team and then went to my part-time job at an ice cream parlor before catching the 2 public transportation buses back to the men's shelter for a few hours sleep.

Obviously my plans for college were out the window, so after graduating high school, I boarded a greyhound bus with everything I owned in one duffel bag and moved 1000 miles north to Philadelphia, where I got a job, and a one room apartment and began supporting myself.

After I discovered blackjack and embarked on a career supporting myself by that means, learning everything I could, at age 26, I was again forced to pick up and relocate 2500 miles away where I knew no one, because I had worn out my welcome at my local casinos (Atlantic City).

At Age 28, I underwent open heart surgery to replace two heart valves that had been eaten away by a rare infection. The two valves were supposed to last 25-30 years.

Last year, I underwent a second open heart surgery to replace one of the heart valves that failed after only 6 years (instead of 30).

In April of this year, I lost my partner/spouse, and best friend of 13 years, who I married less than 4 years ago, when he very suddenly and unexpectedly passed. That has devastated my life.

In my mid 30's I am a 2 time open heart surgery survivor, and a widower. Life isn't all cherries, Zenking. It can be shit at times. You take the good and the bad...whatever is thrown at you and you deal with it.

The only thing you get credit for in my book, is you too made the decision to relocate 2500 away from home, where you knew no one, to pursue your dream. So do it. You either beat life or you allow it to beat you.

Very inspiring story KJ. Hang in there man!

One of my favorite quote is,
Enjoy your life today, Because yesterday has gone and tomorrow may never come.

 

[KewlJ]

Very inspiring story KJ. Hang in there man!

One of my favorite quote is,
Enjoy your life today, Because yesterday has gone and tomorrow may never come.

Thanks t3n. The purpose wasn't to invoke anyone's sympathy though. Don't need it. While, I continue to miss and morn my partner, life is good. I have so many things that are great about life. I reconnected with both my younger brother and mother in the last 5 years and both now reside here in Vegas, my mother currently about a mile a way and my brother, two doors down the hall in my home. I have dear friends. I play a game that I still like for a living. I am NOT cursed....I am blessed.

And who knows what the future holds. Here's another good quote for you (wish I knew who said it) When one door closes another opens.

Oh, yeah, forgot to mention, my 2 favorite sports teams (and I am a big sports fan) won championships in the last 6 months....Phila Eagles and Villanova basketball. I even flew back to Philly for the Eagles parade. So yeah, life mixes in some cherries and ice cream with the challenges.