Just a thought

[Severity8]

has to be non gamblers or non casino assosiated can't squish out ploppy.

 

[Koz1984]

My parents are semi-skeptical about the whole notion. My dad accepts it more than my mum. He saw a program about casino cheats, which included counters, so he kind of thought from that point onwards that if casinos attempted to eject counters, it must have been for a reason. They were winning. So I sat down with him for about 30 minutes and went over how BJ can be beaten, and reassured him that it wasn't cheating at all. So now he doesn't question me anymore, but he does like to look at my win/loss sheet from time to time and point out the red sessions. Variance is a thing many people don't understand. He will often ask, "So if you're counting, why did you lose $xxxx this night?"

My mum understands it even less so, I don't bother explaining anything to her. All she says is "no one has ever become rich from going to a casino or playing poker (I play that, also)". I could rattle off names from both the BJ and poker worlds, but I don't think it would register with her. They're European, they'd be prouder of me if I made $1000 a week working my ass off in a factory, than $2000 a week playing BJ, hypothetically speaking. I don't understand their logic at times.

I introduced the game to several friends of mine, at a friend's house, and their parents were even worse than mine! I could have presented an entire 2 hour presentation on the subject, but all they could say at the end of the night is that it was gambling. No one beats the casino, no one. They weren't the least bit interested in anything I had to say, and thought I was attempting to rationalise myself as a hopeless gambler.

Moral of the story is, some people get it, some don't.

 

[blackjack avenger]

My dad will often ask, "So if you're counting, why did you lose $xxxx this night?"

Explain all play is continuous, sessions are artificial. One can manipulate this in play by playing longer when losing and cutting thigs a little early when winning.

or

cook the books and divide the sessions so you win all or most of the time. This actually is not deceptive at all.
example:
day 1, 2 hrs up 400
day 2, 2 hrs down 100
or
1, 2 day session, 4 hrs up 300

 

[zengrifter]

At one point, [Dad] was addicted after a big negative variance, trying to recoup his loss. He went straight to casino after work and got home at 3 or 4 AM. This was going on 7 days a week and lasted about 4 months. My dad collects Italian suits and shoes. My mom destroyed one suit every night. She sat at a chair near the door and cut it into thousands of pieces. So she literally destroyed 100+ suits. I know it is very psycho. At that period of time, I hardly saw him. And he did not speak one word to me in that four months. It was like he is possessed. And Mom went crazy on us. She wanted us to drink bleach or jumped off Brooklyn Bridge etc. She said she wants to see Dad regret in the rest of his life after everyone in his family is dead. Every day she would invent a new way how to kill ourselves and told us at dinner.

Oy vey! zg

 

[zengrifter]

I think even someone who hasn't walked in a casino realizes that if you are able to see the cards that the casino intentionally hides that you are unequivocally playing with a sizable advantage.

And even then the average person would still lose. zg

 

[MangoJ]

I would not even try explaining. If someone asks why I frequent my local casino.... I just tell them I play poker there. In some sense poker has a better reputation than Blackjack - you see poker on TV in sports channel every day, and people somehow notice that you can earn money from it.

 

[Shoofly]

What you can tell them: "I'm not quite gambling. Using solid and proven mathematical science, I am manipulating the game through my play and betting so that the odds are slightly in my favor, instead of the casino's favor. Although there will always be risk and variability of results, I am heavily favored to earn a solid income from my play at casinos over the long term."

What they will hear: "Gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble I like to gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble because I'm a gambler gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble..."

I have printed your post and will show it to my wife. I doubt it will help, though. When I try to explain this to her, her eyes glaze over and she doesn't really understand or believe it.

We attended one meeting of AP's, and she was quite impressed with how nice everyone was. In advance of this get together, she thought we were going to a meeting with Bugsy Siegel and Michael Corleone.

 

[swamper]

Interesting topic. When asked, I basically tell them that I go to play in tournaments. This does not seem to be such a stupid idea to them as it is a fixed buy-in that wages "fake" money. Seems to have worked so far.

 

[JohnGalt1]

I also bet horses.

My brother once asked me, "Say you lose $200 at the track. What did you get for that money?"

My brother likes to fish and owned a cabin 100 miles away.

I asked him, "When you add up the costs of your cabin mortgage payment, gas, license, tackle, bait, boat, maintenance, etc. HOW MUCH DOES EACH FISH COST YOU?"

He said, "I never thought of that."

I said, "You have the chance and the challenge of catching fish and enjoying getting away from work and the city with your money. I enjoy the challenge of picking the winning horse and winning money with my money."

The same goes for blackjack.

 

[swamper]

I also bet horses.

My brother once asked me, "Say you lose $200 at the track. What did you get for that money?"

My brother likes to fish and owned a cabin 100 miles away.

I asked him, "When you add up the costs of your cabin mortgage payment, gas, license, tackle, bait, boat, maintenance, etc. HOW MUCH DOES EACH FISH COST YOU?"

He said, "I never thought of that."

I said, "You have the chance and the challenge of catching fish and enjoying getting away from work and the city with your money. I enjoy the challenge of picking the winning horse and winning money with my money."

The same goes for blackjack.

It has been my experience also that people just plain ole' want you to spend money the way or on the things they would. Usually spending or using your money in a manner that they never would brings up negative thoughts in their minds. I have seen this in all different areas of life.

 

[Shoofly]

I also bet horses.

My brother once asked me, "Say you lose $200 at the track. What did you get for that money?"

My brother likes to fish and owned a cabin 100 miles away.

I asked him, "When you add up the costs of your cabin mortgage payment, gas, license, tackle, bait, boat, maintenance, etc. HOW MUCH DOES EACH FISH COST YOU?"

He said, "I never thought of that."

I said, "You have the chance and the challenge of catching fish and enjoying getting away from work and the city with your money. I enjoy the challenge of picking the winning horse and winning money with my money."

The same goes for blackjack.

I usually use the comparison to golf. Even not counting and playing BS, flat betting $10 for 4 hours will produce an average cost of about $20. A golfer playing 18 holes will usually pay a lot more than that.

 

[FLASH1296]

In explaining why people buy lottery tickets, etc. economists invoke the "Utility Function"
to explain what most people see as a "bad bet" that "wastes money"

The bettor gains psychological satisfaction, [more than just "Fun"], because he "buys a dream"
He gets to fantasize that he is about to reap "life-changing" winnings, improving his outlook.

This is why most lottery tickets are sold to people who cannot afford them

Your neighbor, a cardiologist, is unlikely to buy any tickets; but the dude who is tending to his rose garden is.

 

[MeWin$]

Great post auto

It won't work. We are born to what we are- an uncommon combination of intelligence, ambition and confidence. Don't ever forget how exceptional you are.

What you can tell them: "I'm not quite gambling. Using solid and proven mathematical science, I am manipulating the game through my play and betting so that the odds are slightly in my favor, instead of the casino's favor. Although there will always be risk and variability of results, I am heavily favored to earn a solid income from my play at casinos over the long term."

What they will hear: "Gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble I like to gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble because I'm a gambler gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble gamble..."

Lmao. Some people just don't believe, no matter what. My cousin first tried an invention when I played small limit poker for my income in college, then told me not to expect to make any money off of BJ. Now he thinks I'm a drug dealer, lol.

 

[FLASH1296]

I feel qualified to comment on this.

My wife plays poker but only begrudgingly tells friends and relatives that I am an A.P., and not a gambler, with all that that means.

In her case, it is because a win of X dollars is barely superior to a loss of ¾ X dollars. She perceives risk as being somewhat toxic, even though she plays poker reasonably well.

It is odd how stridently humans hold onto their persistent delusions, ie. religion, superstition, the occult, etc.

 

[Koz1984]

I feel qualified to comment on this.

My wife plays poker but only begrudgingly tells friends and relatives that I am an A.P., and not a gambler, with all that that means.

In her case, it is because a win of X dollars is barely superior to a loss of ¾ X dollars. She perceives risk as being somewhat toxic, even though she plays poker reasonably well.

It is odd how stridently humans hold onto their persistent delusions, ie. religion, superstition, the occult, etc.

As Einstein himself states, religion (and I'm sure other superstitions included) are a product of human weakness. Apparently god (as opposed to God, I do not wish to grant him the satisfaction of importance), or whatever you'd like to call him, created us in his image, but really, we created him, as well as the plethora of gods(s) before him. This explains why he is not as infallible as people think he is, and numerous problems lie within religious institutions and practice. This same weak mindedness applies to gamblers and their fallacies, who can seem to rationalise many an obvious flawed system with illogical garbage, that makes perfect sense in their own mind.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Propose we call all non AP's muggles?

x2

 

[aslan]

As Einstein himself states, religion (and I'm sure other superstitions included) are a product of human weakness. Apparently god (as opposed to God, I do not wish to grant him the satisfaction of importance), or whatever you'd like to call him, created us in his image, but really, we created him, as well as the plethora of gods(s) before him. This explains why he is not as infallible as people think he is, and numerous problems lie within religious institutions and practice. This same weak mindedness applies to gamblers and their fallacies, who can seem to rationalise many an obvious flawed system with illogical garbage, that makes perfect sense in their own mind.

I must agree that most people create god in their own image, not vice versa. That is not to say that God does not exist.

 

[Gamblor]

As Einstein himself states, religion (and I'm sure other superstitions included) are a product of human weakness. Apparently god (as opposed to God, I do not wish to grant him the satisfaction of importance), or whatever you'd like to call him, created us in his image, but really, we created him, as well as the plethora of gods(s) before him. This explains why he is not as infallible as people think he is, and numerous problems lie within religious institutions and practice. This same weak mindedness applies to gamblers and their fallacies, who can seem to rationalise many an obvious flawed system with illogical garbage, that makes perfect sense in their own mind.

Pfft extraordinarily simple minded and broad generalization. Ironically your thinking is similar to the ones your accusing of weak mindedness.