blacksheep
Member
Hey there,
Just as an intro, I'm another long time reader, first time poster here who's been counting for about a year or so and has been working on adding shuffle tracking to the mix for the past few months. Learned alot from the valuable info on this site.
Anyway, here's one that I came across last night that I thought I'd put to you guys even though I think I know the answer already. So I'm playing at a full table right next to 3rd base and I hit my 12 against the dealers 3 because we weren't quite at the index to stand. The dealer then proceeds to draw out on the whole table, which of course is my fault as the lady at first base makes clear to everyone else saying, "Well, he shouldn't have hit that hand" (I drew a 5 by the way, which wouldn't have made a diffence in the outcome anyhow). As you all know, these types of comments happen all the time and I've learned to just brush them off and move on most of the time but for some reason this one just got to me. Before I knew it I found myself blurting out rather sternly and loudly "Yeah, I should have". The guy sitting next to her say's something like (to her) "Actually, proper basic strategy calls for a hit with a 12 against a 2 or 3" to which she replies "Yeah, but that's only if nobody on the table has taken a hit card yet, and a couple of people had already hit". This prompts the dealer, who happens to be new and by her own admission still learning the game, to say to the lady: "You are correct, that is in fact the rule". The guy next to her then says rather sarcastically, but loudly enough for me to hear, "Yeah well, you wouldn't know that if you're just sitting there playing a basic strategy card" as if he's some kind of expert when he's clearly just another "mind the flow of the cards" ploppy. I wasn't using a b.s. card by way (never have at the tables). Why would I, knowing that I'll frequently be deviating from it anyway which will draw a lot of unwanted and unneccessary attention?
So what I'm wondering is if there's any reasoning or merit to this notion at all? What possible f*#king difference could the fact that someone has already taken a card or two make in your decision to play a hand like that, unless you're taking into account the actual value of the cards drawn (i.e. counting)? It seems to me there's no logical rationale for this notion, which would be entirely consistent with the ploppy mentality pervading the table at that time. The only reason I ask is because I've heard this same notion endorsed by another dealer at this casino who is much more informed about the proper strategies of the game (including counting). If this is just another ploppyism as it seems, this guy should know better. But if I recall correctly, he gave some kind of reasoning for it at the time.
What could that reasoning possibly be?
Just as an intro, I'm another long time reader, first time poster here who's been counting for about a year or so and has been working on adding shuffle tracking to the mix for the past few months. Learned alot from the valuable info on this site.
Anyway, here's one that I came across last night that I thought I'd put to you guys even though I think I know the answer already. So I'm playing at a full table right next to 3rd base and I hit my 12 against the dealers 3 because we weren't quite at the index to stand. The dealer then proceeds to draw out on the whole table, which of course is my fault as the lady at first base makes clear to everyone else saying, "Well, he shouldn't have hit that hand" (I drew a 5 by the way, which wouldn't have made a diffence in the outcome anyhow). As you all know, these types of comments happen all the time and I've learned to just brush them off and move on most of the time but for some reason this one just got to me. Before I knew it I found myself blurting out rather sternly and loudly "Yeah, I should have". The guy sitting next to her say's something like (to her) "Actually, proper basic strategy calls for a hit with a 12 against a 2 or 3" to which she replies "Yeah, but that's only if nobody on the table has taken a hit card yet, and a couple of people had already hit". This prompts the dealer, who happens to be new and by her own admission still learning the game, to say to the lady: "You are correct, that is in fact the rule". The guy next to her then says rather sarcastically, but loudly enough for me to hear, "Yeah well, you wouldn't know that if you're just sitting there playing a basic strategy card" as if he's some kind of expert when he's clearly just another "mind the flow of the cards" ploppy. I wasn't using a b.s. card by way (never have at the tables). Why would I, knowing that I'll frequently be deviating from it anyway which will draw a lot of unwanted and unneccessary attention?
So what I'm wondering is if there's any reasoning or merit to this notion at all? What possible f*#king difference could the fact that someone has already taken a card or two make in your decision to play a hand like that, unless you're taking into account the actual value of the cards drawn (i.e. counting)? It seems to me there's no logical rationale for this notion, which would be entirely consistent with the ploppy mentality pervading the table at that time. The only reason I ask is because I've heard this same notion endorsed by another dealer at this casino who is much more informed about the proper strategies of the game (including counting). If this is just another ploppyism as it seems, this guy should know better. But if I recall correctly, he gave some kind of reasoning for it at the time.
What could that reasoning possibly be?
