Just was wondering...

[Kasi]

while making a recent post if anyone knew where there was a list of frequency distributions and associated EV's and maybe even the associated SD's for alot of games for neg TC's?

Something like BJA except not lumping all the the neg counts together in one line?

While I'm on the subject does BJA's data in Ch 10 exist in spreadsheet form anywhere?

And don't say go buy a sim

 

[EasyRhino]

Even Powersim (the free one) will give you that info if you open up the .sim file after running through the hoops.

 

[SystemsTrader]

Search Qfit's new site, you might find it there.
http://www.blackjackincolor.com

 

[Kasi]

Thanks to both of you for your suggestions.

 

[sagefr0g]

while making a recent post if anyone knew where there was a list of frequency distributions and associated EV's and maybe even the associated SD's for alot of games for neg TC's?

Something like BJA except not lumping all the the neg counts together in one line?

While I'm on the subject does BJA's data in Ch 10 exist in spreadsheet form anywhere?

And don't say go buy a sim

Wong's Professional Blackjack has some appendices with a list of frequency distributions and associated EV's for some games. i don't have access to my book now or i'd put the info in a spreadsheet. that would be interesting.
i think Wong got his info from Janec's Blackjack Statistical simulator, i think thats what it's called.

 

[Kasi]

Wong's Professional Blackjack has some appendices with a list of frequency distributions and associated EV's for some games. i don't have access to my book now or i'd put the info in a spreadsheet. that would be interesting.

Thanks WiseFrog - just what I wanted. Forgot all about those tables.

I only asked because I have a spreadsheet that uses the CH 10 BJA tables that I use just to fool around with. After I put in the first 3 columns (Freq, EV % by TC and SD by TC,) for a given table, the right side, Avg bet, W% of the game, $win/100, $SD/100, ROR, N0, DI, SCORE etc calculates itself after putting in a spread. Really those 1st 3 columns are about all you need to figure almost anything out like being ahead after x hours, trip ROR's, etc.

But sometimes I don't like the fact he lumps all neg counts into one line making neg wong-out points difficult to analyze.

Well, if I actually wonged out in neg counts rather than just play them, I might actually care :grin:

Apparently he never considered negative exit points. I forgive him lol.

So I have to GUESS :grin:

Still, obviously, I'm limited to the underlying assumptions of the tables. But it's better than nothing lol. But it's a start anyway.

It's not like I'm playing 5 different games 40 hours a month with $20K+ at risk and worried about cost of camo plays, number of players, using different counts or index plays, etc lol.

 

[Sonny]

I only asked because I have a spreadsheet that uses the CH 10 BJA tables that I use just to fool around with. After I put in the first 3 columns (Freq, EV % by TC and SD by TC,) for a given table, the right side, Avg bet, W% of the game, $win/100, $SD/100, ROR, N0, DI, SCORE etc calculates itself after putting in a spread.

I did the same thing! Great minds...:grin:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=15578#post15578

You can also get the count frequencies from Snyder's Beat The X-Deck Game series, but it's probably more useful to use a simulator.

-Sonny-

 

[QFIT]

You mean like this?

 

[blackjack avenger]

To Qfit

What product is this?

Cost?

Under rules, does it have RSA?

Can it do ODP? for back counting?

Can you go into detail on the expenses section?

If you would like to talk about what features this product has beyond the BJA 3 chapter 10 charts?

Any major count?

Any indice generation? including RA?

Thnx

 

[21forme]

Looks like QFIT's CVCX (CV = Casino Verite and CX is Chapter 10 from BJA3.)

 

[Kasi]

You mean like this?

Exactly like that lol.

I may break down yet and cough up a few bucks lol - I'm going to Tahoe for a week in June and, when I was there last time, there were some fabulous games I wasn't fully prepared for but had great fun playing. Thinking of even maybe switching to a count more suited to fewer decks.

Anyway, on that picture of yours, when you seem to be showing bets that look like you maybe are spreading to 2 hands, it sort of looks like the SD/hand isn't changing to reflect the covariance?

Am I looking at it wrong? Maybe you figure it out in the guts of the program without displaying it?

Does your program give SD/hand when spreading to multiple hands?

Is the only way to figure out co-variance, changing as it does for different games, basically, just with a sim?

 

[Kasi]

I did the same thing! Great minds...:grin:

Like I heard on the radio today, football coaches, they all think alike, ...and have the same stupid ideas

 

[QFIT]

What product is this?

Cost?

Under rules, does it have RSA?

Can it do ODP? for back counting?

Can you go into detail on the expenses section?

If you would like to talk about what features this product has beyond the BJA 3 chapter 10 charts?

Any major count?

Any indice generation? including RA?

Thnx

CVCX. $85. Yes, RSA is under rules, No ODP, No expenses detail, CVCX was used for BJA 4 chapter 10 charts. Yes any major count, Index generation including RA is supported by CVData, a related application.

 

[QFIT]

Exactly like that lol.

I may break down yet and cough up a few bucks lol - I'm going to Tahoe for a week in June and, when I was there last time, there were some fabulous games I wasn't fully prepared for but had great fun playing. Thinking of even maybe switching to a count more suited to fewer decks.

Anyway, on that picture of yours, when you seem to be showing bets that look like you maybe are spreading to 2 hands, it sort of looks like the SD/hand isn't changing to reflect the covariance?

Am I looking at it wrong? Maybe you figure it out in the guts of the program without displaying it?

Does your program give SD/hand when spreading to multiple hands?

Is the only way to figure out co-variance, changing as it does for different games, basically, just with a sim?

Yes standard deviation is adjusted internally to take into account covariance. It doesn't vary much for different rules.