Kicked out, and detained at a charity Las Vegas night.

shadroch

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Last nite, I attended a local Fire Departments Las Vegas Nite. It's the third nor fourth time I've played there, and had small wins the other times. They use four decks, but shuffle after three or four rounds so counting is kind of futile. Play for about fifteen minutes, thru two shuffles when I suddenly hit a seriously on fire streak. I win every hand on the next two shuffles and something like 13 out of 14 hands. i'm flat-betting $5 and am up over $100 for the night. I'm hitting on 16 and pulling a 5 or staying on 16 and the dealer is busting. Simple BS but the cards are just falling perfectly.
Suddenly, the guy walks up to the table and announces the game is closed. Tells me and my friend( who is not on any such streak) to remain seated if we want to be able to cash in our chips. Everyone else is told to go.
First they count the cards to see if they are all there, then they break down the decks to see if we had put in extra faces while removing other cards, then they start examining the backs to see if they are marked in any way. I ask how long is this going to take and am told we can leave at any time, but if we left they would not honor the chips. I ask why my friend is being subjected to this and am told that scammers work in teams and everyone saw the two of us come in together.
Next they ask to examine our chips to make sure they are all legit. This is all being done at the BJ table with a poker table on one side and a roulette wheel on the other. Fully half the people in the hall are paying more attention to us than to their own games and money.
Finally, after some thirty plus minutes, the guy says to us- I'm not sure what you were doing, or how you were doing it, but don't think about coming back here again and pays us our money. I'd cashed in for $75 and cashed out for $200, my friend cashed in for $70 and out for $55.
I can only imagine what was said after we left. What truly sucks is that at least one person there and most likely several belong to the same club as my mother.
 
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Shoofly

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shadroch said:
What truly sucks is that at least one person there and most likely several belong to the same club as my mother.
I think you had better to get ready to answer some tough questions from your mother.
 

ohbehave

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They must have never considered the possiblity of the house losing a couple of bucks. 125 bucks LOL maybe they are under-rolled??
 

blackjack avenger

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Given Your Personality

or what I think your personality is. Did you think of saying anything? How about talking to the press, lawyer or state agency? They accused you of cheating in public? An intersting thing to say real loud could be. "You know if you harrass patrons for winning $125 and threaten not to pay or accuse of cheating you make it quite possible for your charity to not be so popular?" "I wonder what state agency I can complain to?"

However, firefighters in defense of their "charity" may be ready to get physical.

During any of these types of incidents is it time to whip out the little video recording device?

Now if you were using an AP technique one would be inclined to just take the abuse, especially if you were paid.

Shame to waste that luck with small bets
good cards
:joker::whip:
 

shadroch

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My post is part of an email I sent to the guy who writes Human Interest stories for my local paper. We'll see if he follows up on it. If not, I can't imagine I'll take it in any other direction. Just more fodder for adult beverage driven conversations in the local pubs.
 

BJgenius007

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shadroch said:
Last nite, I attended a local Fire Departments Las Vegas Nite. It's the third nor fourth time I've played there, and had small wins the other times. They use four decks, but shuffle after three or four rounds so counting is kind of futile. Play for about fifteen minutes, thru two shuffles when I suddenly hit a seriously on fire streak. I win every hand on the next two shuffles and something like 13 out of 14 hands. i'm flat-betting $5 and am up over $100 for the night. I'm hitting on 16 and pulling a 5 or staying on 16 and the dealer is busting. Simple BS but the cards are just falling perfectly.
Suddenly, the guy walks up to the table and announces the game is closed. Tells me and my friend( who is not on any such streak) to remain seated if we want to be able to cash in our chips. Everyone else is told to go.
First they count the cards to see if they are all there, then they break down the decks to see if we had put in extra faces while removing other cards, then they start examining the backs to see if they are marked in any way. I ask how long is this going to take and am told we can leave at any time, but if we left they would not honor the chips. I ask why my friend is being subjected to this and am told that scammers work in teams and everyone saw the two of us come in together.
Next they ask to examine our chips to make sure they are all legit. This is all being done at the BJ table with a poker table on one side and a roulette wheel on the other. Fully half the people in the hall are paying more attention to us than to their own games and money.
Finally, after some thirty plus minutes, the guy says to us- I'm not sure what you were doing, or how you were doing it, but don't think about coming back here again and pays us our money. I'd cashed in for $75 and cashed out for $200, my friend cashed in for $70 and out for $55.
I can only imagine what was said after we left. What truly sucks is that at least one person there and most likely several belong to the same club as my mother.
Your story doesn't add up. You said 3 or 4 rounds after each shuffle. Yet you also said you won 13 out of 14 hands after 2 shuffles.

It is for charity. You should not use counting skill to win. Bad karma.
 

apex

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Clearly he wasn't playing to win flat betting $5. Sounds to me like he was there for social reasons.
 

prankster

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If I understand-counting was futile-you weren't counting. So this guy couldn't get that a player simply got lucky for a short while? What a jerk!:joker:
 

MAZ

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Reminds me of a private game a friend and I paid a visit to a couple of years ago. Definitely not a charitable game, unless drunken college frat boys are a charity I'm unaware of. So this hot little coed invites me to this event these little pricks put on every few months. What an easy mark indeed. Stakes were low, not as low as I thought they would be for this type of setting though, these boys had an over inflated sense of what they could handle. BJ max bets were $100. Rules didn't matter as that was not necessary to beat this game, but from what I remember they were decent. They were hand dealing 6 decks by grabbing 2 decks at a time and manually peeking for BJ. Like taking candy from a 21 yr old baby. Anyway me and my friend play for like 4 hours and take em for 7k. They refuse to pay, I'm sure they didn't have the cash to back it up, so I agree to take whatever they can give me. I don't care about these kids money, but I figure a few hundred for my time and the lesson on fiscal responsibility is fair. They decide I deserve nothing and that it might be a good idea to roughly escort me and my friend out. Funny thing about what happened next. It seems as this baby hughey type bouncer leads my buddy outside this clumsy bouncer seemed to have tripped and fell on his face shattering his eye socket and breaking his nose. My poor friend in an effort to help him up really bruised up his hands and elbow, he must've slipped too. Well we didn't get any money that night, and we got out of there quick after the poor bouncer slipped and bumped his head, there were way too many of them for us to count on them all tripping like the other sack. But all in all it was entertaining, and....I still got the girl.
 

Dyepaintball12

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MAZ said:
Reminds me of a private game a friend and I paid a visit to a couple of years ago. Definitely not a charitable game, unless drunken college frat boys are a charity I'm unaware of. So this hot little coed invites me to this event these little pricks put on every few months. What an easy mark indeed. Stakes were low, not as low as I thought they would be for this type of setting though, these boys had an over inflated sense of what they could handle. BJ max bets were $100. Rules didn't matter as that was not necessary to beat this game, but from what I remember they were decent. They were hand dealing 6 decks by grabbing 2 decks at a time and manually peeking for BJ. Like taking candy from a 21 yr old baby. Anyway me and my friend play for like 4 hours and take em for 7k. They refuse to pay, I'm sure they didn't have the cash to back it up, so I agree to take whatever they can give me. I don't care about these kids money, but I figure a few hundred for my time and the lesson on fiscal responsibility is fair. They decide I deserve nothing and that it might be a good idea to roughly escort me and my friend out. Funny thing about what happened next. It seems as this baby hughey type bouncer leads my buddy outside this clumsy bouncer seemed to have tripped and fell on his face shattering his eye socket and breaking his nose. My poor friend in an effort to help him up really bruised up his hands and elbow, he must've slipped too. Well we didn't get any money that night, and we got out of there quick after the poor bouncer slipped and bumped his head, there were way too many of them for us to count on them all tripping like the other sack. But all in all it was entertaining, and....I still got the girl.
:laugh:
 

shadroch

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BJgenius007 said:
Your story doesn't add up. You said 3 or 4 rounds after each shuffle. Yet you also said you won 13 out of 14 hands after 2 shuffles.

It is for charity. You should not use counting skill to win. Bad karma.
One can only hope your math skills exceed your reading comprehension skills.
Perhaps you might get an adult to go over my post alongside you and see where you failed.
 

blackchipjim

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Charity

That is a hilarious story which defies logic on the fireman's part. I played once at a charity event with much apprehension. I had to correct the dealer on the 2 to 1 payout on blackjack so many times I got tired. The pastor showed up and started to stand behind our table with a big smile on his face almost to say stop robbing back our profit.:laugh:
 

alwayssplitaces

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blackchipjim said:
That is a hilarious story which defies logic on the fireman's part. I played once at a charity event with much apprehension. I had to correct the dealer on the 2 to 1 payout on blackjack so many times I got tired. The pastor showed up and started to stand behind our table with a big smile on his face almost to say stop robbing back our profit.:laugh:
That's an AP opportunity, but most of us would feel bad robbing a charity that we won't even count cards at a charity casino event. But if a regular casino dealer paid 2-1 blackjacks by mistake, my mouth would stay shut and I would be betting table max at all spots.
 

blackjacktilt

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Huh?

Shouldn't your winnings have gone to the charity advertised?
Or the buy in went to charity?
I wouldn't pursue this if you took money from this event.
It's illegal gambling, no matter which way you look at it.
 

shadroch

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blackjacktilt said:
Shouldn't your winnings have gone to the charity advertised?
Or the buy in went to charity?
I wouldn't pursue this if you took money from this event.
It's illegal gambling, no matter which way you look at it.


Wrong.
It's 100% legal gambling. Perhaps the law is different where you live, but where I am, non-profits are allowed to run Las Vegas Nites with real money.
It's no different than running a raffle. Both are forms of fund-raising.
 

blackjacktilt

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shadroch said:
Wrong.
It's 100% legal gambling. Perhaps the law is different where you live, but where I am, non-profits are allowed to run Las Vegas Nites with real money.
It's no different than running a raffle. Both are forms of fund-raising.
Thanks for the correction.
 

Sucker

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Shad - it sounds to me like one of your so-called "friends" ratted you out, and identified you to them as a card counter (not that it makes any difference). But because those idiots have no CLUE about card counters, and have heard that a card counter "ALWAYS WINS"; they freaked out. Remember; the casino industry has been very successful in convincing the general public that card counting is CHEATING.

If you can figure out which one of your (ex) friends it was, I would say he's in for a pretty good ass whipping!

BTW - if it were MY mother; she would be down at the fire house the very next morning, and she would be the chief's worst nightmare for some time to come! A mother simply DOES NOT LIKE IT when someone falsely accuses her child of wrongdoing! :whip:
 
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