Kim Lee VS Flash

[creeping panther]

There is a very recent thread on BJ21 free board where "Kim Lee" accuses Flash of lying about his lifetime winnings as well as some other very eye opening remarks. This is a very interesting thread pitting this "Kim Lee" against a group of Flash syncophants and Flash himself staying quiet.

Don't know what to make of it.. but provocative reading.. and "Lee" makes some very strong points that I really think all AP's or wannabees should be reading.

I want to say I have no dog in this fight but must say that "Lee" seems to have it together,, besides the issue with "Flash" that I really could care less about, since I take everything I read on these BJ sites with alot of grains of salt unless written by someone I have met in person, like the real deal Bashers.

CP

 

[QFIT]

"Kim" tends to go on attack like this now and then.

But he does have a good point about the Craps board and SSB.

 

[Deathclutch]

The site is down for me currently. Is anyone else having these issues?

 

[creeping panther]

Dc

The site is down for me currently. Is anyone else having these issues?

Not here.

CP

 

[kewljason]

There is a very recent thread on BJ21 free board where "Kim Lee" accuses Flash of lying about his lifetime winnings as well as some other very eye opening remarks. This is a very interesting thread pitting this "Kim Lee" against a group of Flash syncophants and Flash himself staying quiet.

Don't know what to make of it.. but provocative reading.. and "Lee" makes some very strong points that I really think all AP's or wannabees should be reading.

I want to say I have no dog in this fight but must say that "Lee" seems to have it together,, besides the issue with "Flash" that I really could care less about, since I take everything I read on these BJ sites with alot of grains of salt unless written by someone I have met in person, like the real deal Bashers.

CP

"Lee seems to have it together'? Can I ask what lead you to that conclusion? Have you seen this post from three years ago that mr Lee speaks of? Because that is what is at issue. His accusation is based on that he thinks flash has recently contradicted something he said 3 years ago. Problem is Mr Lee can't produce a link to that thread and not one single member of that site can recall the thread. If Flash is guilty as Mr Lee claims, well thats fine to call him out on it, but if you are going so, you should have some sort of evidence of your claim, before calling someone a liar. No?

 

[creeping panther]

Kim

"Kim" tends to go on attack like this now and then.

But he does have a good point about the Craps board and SSB.

If I remember correctly, Kim is one of Don S. "Masters Of BJ", a very nice accolade indeed.

CP

 

[QFIT]

If I remember correctly, Kim is one of Don S. "Masters Of BJ", a very nice accolade indeed.

CP

No more.

 

[johndoe]

"Lee seems to have it together'? Can I ask what lead you to that conclusion? Have you seen this post from three years ago that mr Lee speaks of? Because that is what is at issue. His accusation is based on that he thinks flash has recently contradicted something he said 3 years ago. Problem is Mr Lee can't produce a link to that thread and not one single member of that site can recall the thread. If Flash is guilty as Mr Lee claims, well thats fine to call him out on it, but if you are going so, you should have some sort of evidence of your claim, before calling someone a liar. No?

I agree with you. It seems like Kim Lee just went out of his way to start a flamewar about some claims Flash made that were not all that difficult to believe, and continued whining and screaming about it, and throwing insults around in a public forum. For what purpose?

Flash is wise to keep quiet. Kim Lee does a fine job making himself look like an old, whiny crank.

 

[daddybo]

Flash is wise to keep quiet. Kim Lee does a fine job making himself look like an old, whiny crank.

Besides BJ.. FLash is a psychologist. Think about it. :laugh:

 

[Diver]

syncopated rhythym

This is a very interesting thread pitting this "Kim Lee" against a group of Flash syncophants CP

"Flash syncophants" sounds like a good name for a team of syncopated flash dancers.

 

[psyduck]

"Flash syncophants" sounds like a good name for a team of syncopated flash dancers.

I wonder which one is Flash? First row, second from right?

 

[chichow]

Per this post, Flash says he is retired.

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=143534&highlight=retired#post143534

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From my observation, Flash makes a decent amount of errors in his posts. And he does have a STRONGER style in terms of how he says things (not to mention his choice of font).

And from my observation, Flash owns up to being wrong after it is pointed out by other posters. He does sometimes just go silent too.

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In the end no ones knows whether or not Flash is a human being, a bot, or that mythical dog posting on the Internet. And just because something is on the Internet doesn't make it true.

So IM sorry HO I would say...

1) Make up your own mind

2) Take what you read with a grain of salt.

Hope all is well with everyone.

 

[FLASH1296]

Hmmm …

"In the end no ones knows whether or not Flash is a human being, a bot, or that mythical dog posting on the Internet"

Not exactly. Quite a few regular posters on bjifo.com have spent time with me at the tables.
Indeed, this week, I hit 6 properties in Las Vegas [with one of our respected posters];
side-counting Aces and Sevens while calling perfect Insurance decisions for his DD play.

If I had a modicum of respect for my detractor, I might consider a direct response.

I have received numerous empathic P.M.'s and supportive emails;
but I eschew discomforting my friends by asking them to post in kind.

 

[21forme]

In the end no ones knows whether or not Flash is a human being, a bot, or that mythical dog posting on the Internet.

I have met Flash in person on several occasions and can state in no uncertain terms that he is a human being. I suppose you now need to find someone to vouch for me to prove I'm not an alt ID for Flash. There are several other forum members I've met in person, one of whom has met both me and Flash at the same time, so there's no quick change in the phone booth. :grin:

 

[SleightOfHand]

I have met Flash in person on several occasions and can state in no uncertain terms that he is a human being. I suppose you now need to find someone to vouch for me to prove I'm not an alt ID for Flash. There are several other forum members I've met in person, one of whom has met both me and Flash at the same time, so there's no quick change in the phone booth. :grin:

And I bet those vouchers are ALSO alts aren't they? Sneaky guys... Personally, I couldn't care less about this argument.

 

[creeping panther]

Kim Lee

I see that this afternoon Kim has posted the quote in question from 2007 and his reasons for his original post.

Putting aside his comments on Flash, of which he now has the data to back up his claims, (of which I could care less), his main points are well taken and spot on and a must read for newbies or wannabee counters.

CP

 

[kewljason]

I see that this afternoon Kim has posted the quote in question from 2007 and his reasons for his original post.

Putting aside his comments on Flash, of which he now has the data to back up his claims, (of which I could care less), his main points are well taken and spot on and a must read for newbies or wannabee counters.
CP

Not trying to be argumentative CP, but I don't see how this is a must read for newbies or wannabee counters. This issue really has very little blackjack value. It's more of an general internet issue.

 

[zengrifter]

I agree with you. It seems like Kim Lee just went out of his way to start a flamewar about some claims Flash made that were not all that difficult to believe, and continued whining and screaming about it, and throwing insults around in a public forum.

Sounds just like a certain BJ Hall-of-F(L)amer we know. zg

 

[creeping panther]

Kim

If a newbee or wannabee reads every post made by Kim Lee in that thread they will come away with much to think about concerning the real truth about BJ play, posters, misleading claims, and unwarranted expectations, as well as the psychology of enabling. On those subjects touched by Kim he is brilliant,,,as I am sure he is in AP play.

The alarming part to me has nothing to do with Flash, but how he, Kim, has been savaged by a group of posters for simply telling the truth. On all matters not involving Flash I stand with Kim Lee. (However, he did prove his point about Flash).

CP

 

[chichow]

With respect to:

""In the end no ones knows whether or not Flash is a human being, a bot, or that mythical dog posting on the Internet"

Not exactly. Quite a few regular posters on bjifo.com have spent time with me at the tables.
Indeed, this week, I hit 6 properties in Las Vegas [with one of our respected posters];
side-counting Aces and Sevens while calling perfect Insurance decisions for his DD play."

Just because you say it, doesn't mean its true. How do I know that your supporters aren't you posting under an alternative identity? How do we know that anyone on this board is who they say they are? From a computer perspective, its not like there is a PKI and everyone has been verified.

So unless someone wants to out themselves like say Aponte (and he can't really play anymore so what does he have to lose) and post identifying information, how do you really know who anyone on this board is?

This is not an attempt at a personal attack, but I'm just trying to point something out.

On this board, we talk about playing unrated and getting cards not in ones name, etc. How do we know who a person really is? Did you have to give your drivers lisc. info to sign up for your account here? Or could you just use some free email address?