Legality of Novelty IDs

[ScottH]

Either make your own or purchase overpriced product over the Web. As for te legalities, see I. Nelson Rose 'BJ And The Law'. zg

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Nevada Supreme Court Orders Casino to Pay Card Counter

Chen got his money because he did nothing illegal. Although Nevada Regulation 6A requires players to show I.D. when they buy in for more than $10,000 cash, there is nothing in the regulation making it a crime to show a phony I.D.
http://rose.casinocitytimes.com/article/nevada-supreme-court-orders-casino-to-pay-card-counter-967

You have to make it look like a drivers license though right? I'm assuming you couldnt get a novelty library card and have that work.

From what I have seen it's hard to find a real novelty ID site, just FAKE ID's, which I am not interested in for the negative consequences are too great.

 

[ScottH]

So you're telling us that a casino HAS to accept any form of ID that you throw at them?

No, he's saying if you have a novelty ID that looks like a real ID they will accept it without questioning it. It's not like you have the word NOVELTY written in bold letters across the ID. It is a slight change to the wording, or something like that to make it novelty. Something that a normal casino employee would not recognize the difference, so they just accept it without a problem. That is the point of novelty ID's, get them to pass as real ID's, but they are really not.

 

[zengrifter]

No, he's saying if you have a novelty ID that looks like a real ID they will accept it without questioning it. It's not like you have the work NOVELTY written in bold letters across the ID. It is a slight change to the wording, or something like that to make it novelty. Something that a normal casino employee would not recognize the difference, so they just accept it without a problem. That is the point of novelty ID's, get them to pass as real ID's, but they are really not.

You only use them to obtain a player's card! zg

 

[ScottH]

You only use them to obtain a player's card! zg

And you have to use them every time you enter the casino to gain entrance...

Here is my theory. You use the novelty ID right when you get in the door. If you get caught, they will probably just refuse your entrance. If you get by with it and they ask you for ID later, you can refuse. Seems pretty easy, but I have a tendency to underestimate security measures, so I like to be sure.

 

[supercoolmancool]

You don't have to show your id to the pit bosses and other casino personel, but if you are suspected of being underaged and a security guard/police officer requests an ID, then I think you have to show it. But I don't know.

 

[ColorMeUp]

And you have to use them every time you enter the casino to gain entrance...

Here is my theory. You use the novelty ID right when you get in the door. If you get caught, they will probably just refuse your entrance. If you get by with it and they ask you for ID later, you can refuse. Seems pretty easy, but I have a tendency to underestimate security measures, so I like to be sure.

If you refuse to show ID they will ask you to leave. Also, I don't know where you play but nowhere I've been in Vegas or Atlantic City IDs people at the door (I've only seen guards standing near the casino floor who will probably hassle you if you look underage but I'm not sure I've ever seen that done.....and I've been on trips with underage people....).

 

[ScottH]

To supercoolman cool. You dont have to show the ID, but if you want to stay you do. You could just leave instead of risking getting caught with the ID in the middle of playing.

ColorMeUp. Every casino I have been to checks at the door and once you're in they never check again.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

This is a problem if you are going to have to show it repeatedly. It makes it a whole different class of ID usage.

I'm not sure as to what the purpose of this ID is going to be. You're over 21 so you can use your real ID to get into the casino. Have you been trespassed from this place or something?

 

[shadroch]

Getting a players card with a fake ID may or may not be a problem,but trying to use it for any sort of comps will be.I get my players cards in the name of Bill,as my name is William and I have a fairly common last name. Fewer Bill Rs than William Rs.
But if I want to cash a cashback coupon or pick up free show tickets,they want to see my players card and a matching license. Not a library card,or a credit card. And casinos look a lot more carefully when they are giving you something than when they sign you up.
I'm amazed the hassles I've gotten because my card says Bill but my passport/license say William.

 

[ChefJJ]

Getting a players card with a fake ID may or may not be a problem,but trying to use it for any sort of comps will be.I get my players cards in the name of Bill,as my name is William and I have a fairly common last name. Fewer Bill Rs than William Rs.
But if I want to cash a cashback coupon or pick up free show tickets,they want to see my players card and a matching license. Not a library card,or a credit card. And casinos look a lot more carefully when they are giving you something than when they sign you up.
I'm amazed the hassles I've gotten because my card says Bill but my passport/license say William.

That's where the point of "reading the fine print" comes into play. Just weigh the consequences of if you get caught vs. what you are gaining/or avoiding. Remember that falsification of a govt ID (which includes making a novelty ID to look like a drivers license) is not necessarily a violation of gaming statutes, but walking that line of violating other serious statutes. If it ain't worth it, f' it.

Bullshit (or ignorance).

respectfully, zg

ZG- You're one of those dudes that just picks apart peoples sentences. Stick to the BS voodoo stuff, you're better at that. This isn't an issue of card counting per se, but creating false ID...not necessarily a gaming issue.

All this crap over Homeland Security has really brought some crackdowns on IDs, especially when made to look like state-issued ones. A good college buddy tried something similar to what you are talking about Scott. Just got off the phone with him last night. This occured last year in Indiana, and if they want to be serious dicks about stuff, they will. It's not about what is written about in some stupid "legal opinion" book about gaming rights that ZG scans the cover of.
Good luck.

 

[ScottH]

For anyone that asked, I want to get novelty IDs because I would rather not have my real name exist in a casino. If I were to get banned and they spread the word, my real info would be circulated. If I get the boot with a fake name and info, I could just get another novelty ID and go on to the next casino.

 

[SystemsTrader]

For anyone that asked, I want to get novelty IDs because I would rather not have my real name exist in a casino. If I were to get banned and they spread the word, my real info would be circulated. If I get the boot with a fake name and info, I could just get another novelty ID and go on to the next casino.

The novelty ID must be of quality. It must have a magnetic strip which can be scanned. Most casinos now have the technology where they just scan your card and immeadiately hand it back to you with all your information downloaded into their computers so even if you use a fake name you will have to use your real address or a friends address if you want the free comp offers like hotel rooms sent to you.

 

[zengrifter]

...if you use a fake name you will have to use your real address or a friends address if you want the free comp offers like hotel rooms sent to you.

Or a mail box, etc. zg

 

[zengrifter]

ZG- You're one of those dudes that just picks apart peoples sentences.

I was specifically responding to this one statement -

Originally Posted by ChefJJ
From a legal standpoint, casinos or whatever most likely will not accept a novelty ID for official identification.

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My experience is that one only deals with the player's card membership desk. zg

 

[shadroch]

For anyone that asked, I want to get novelty IDs because I would rather not have my real name exist in a casino. If I were to get banned and they spread the word, my real info would be circulated. If I get the boot with a fake name and info, I could just get another novelty ID and go on to the next casino.

If you are banned,they'll circulate your photo,no?I'd be a lot more concerned with them having my picture than a name,real or fake.
Why not just play,and refuse to show any id. If they are id'ing you because you look under 21,they'll spot a fake ID in a NY minute.Way too many bad things can happen to a casino that lets minors bet. If they ban you,walk away.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

If you are banned,they'll circulate your photo,no?I'd be a lot more concerned with them having my picture than a name,real or fake.
Why not just play,and refuse to show any id. If they are id'ing you because you look under 21,they'll spot a fake ID in a NY minute.Way too many bad things can happen to a casino that lets minors bet. If they ban you,walk away.

Agreed, anyone who deals with minors is trained to spot fake ID. Knowing where it is you play, you are playing on a Pretendian reservation where you have no rights. Plan on losing your cheques if you piss them off, and your lawyer will not be able to get you any retribution.

I'm more careful about getting into trouble in a backwoods IJ than in a place like Reno where you can expect to be backed off within 30 minutes. My advice it to play your local stores straight, play them gently and with cover, and take maximum advantage of comps to make your life and dates more enjoyable. When I was in my 20's being able to take a chick to a casino hotel and restaurant on the house would have been the ultimate EV!