That’s terrible advice! Depending on the type of team play he is using, a huge bet spread can often be used with very little heat. And playing negative counts is completely self-destructive. Avoiding negative counts is one of the most important techniques for playing shoe games. When using a small spread it is essential. Using a small spread and playing every negative/neutral hand is a recipe for bankruptcy. Your RoR and N0 will both be huge. Even if you do manage to avoind going broke, it will take you years to approach the long run.davidpom said:Play conservatively without huge spreads, and play in shoes even with a negative count (albeit tiny amounts).
What's wrong with 4 or 5 guys all playing the same way in a defined game with a spread deemed acceptable to a combined bankroll? The spreads needn't be big or depend particularly on high counts.White Guy said:No point of a team unless you do it in order to play big spreads in high counts in my opinion.
Certainly not disagreeing, but, for the sake of discussion, and certainly it doesn't apply to the games they mentioned, but don't you think, at least under some circumstances, even a 1-8 spread (not sure what "small" means lol) might be profitable (profitable enough lol) if you can find the right shoe game with the right rules even with average penetration? Like I found this cheap 4.5/6 S17 DAS DOA game in Vegas with Late surrender. And it was easy to spread more. I don't think I had a high ROR or particularly huge N0 playing every hand and still had a reasonable EV despite playing all hands.Sonny said:And playing negative counts is completely self-destructive. Avoiding negative counts is one of the most important techniques for playing shoe games. When using a small spread it is essential. Using a small spread and playing every negative/neutral hand is a recipe for bankruptcy. Your RoR and N0 will both be huge. Even if you do manage to avoind going broke, it will take you years to approach the long run.![]()
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Don't forget about the law of large numbers. Several teammates pooling bankroll, counting, etc. decreases variance.White Guy said:No point of a team unless you do it in order to play big spreads in high counts in my opinion.
Agreed, but if you see my other posts you'll see why escaping detection as an advantage player is equally important (for me anyway) -and playing those occasional very small negative count hands will help to throw the pit team off the scent of a card counter.Sonny said:Avoiding negative counts is one of the most important techniques for playing shoe games.
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The #1, most important thing, is to get the money. And you do that by playing with a large edge. A distant second is your continuing ability to get the money by not getting caught. But I'd rather play a place a handfull of times, win money and get banned, then go for years without an edge large enough to be worth my time. Also, unless you're at a high betting limit, or you're playing handheld games, I wouldn't worry at all about any camo that affects EV. Wear gold chains, act like a donk,but spread 1-20 and never deviate from your indeces.davidpom said:Agreed, but if you see my other posts you'll see why escaping detection as an advantage player is equally important (for me anyway) -and playing those occasional very small negative count hands will help to throw the pit team off the scent of a card counter.
If you're in a place like Vegas with hundreds of casinos, do what you like - you can afford to brass off a few casinos and still have plenty to play in. If like me you're stuck in a "one casino town" it's important to fit in as best possible, whilst looking for opportunities to increase your wallet size.
Davidpom - i don't agree with you on this and wouldn't play that style, but moo you are missing the conditions in the UK. If you get barred from one casino in the UK, you can essentially forget playing again. For example if you get barred from a Stanley casino, you are barred from somewhere around 60 casinos all in one go and that's if they don't share your details with other companies. There are only a few companies overhere, running all of the casinos, so certain lengths have to be take to insure longevity especially as you have to sign up as a member - producing government approved ID and having your photo taken - before you get anywhere near the gaming floor.moo321 said:The #1, most important thing, is to get the money. And you do that by playing with a large edge. A distant second is your continuing ability to get the money by not getting caught. But I'd rather play a place a handfull of times, win money and get banned, then go for years without an edge large enough to be worth my time. Also, unless you're at a high betting limit, or you're playing handheld games, I wouldn't worry at all about any camo that affects EV. Wear gold chains, act like a donk,but spread 1-20 and never deviate from your indeces.
Thanks RJT, I no longer have that choice / option of UK play. Somehow, for some reason, my details were clearly shared across the UK industry. I can't so much as breathe inside a casino door these days.RJT said:As important as getting the money is, i also enjoy playing - it something i look forward to and wouldn't want to give up.
RJT.