Mandalay Bay playing conditions

[BJgenius007]

I have stayed at MB 3 times this year (last time being 2 weeks ago) and usually play at the tables just outside of the Eyecandy bar/lounge. The shoe games in this pit are usually min $25/50/100 and are Dealer Stay Soft 17. When I went to play there yesterday, ALL of the shoe games in this pit have changed to Dealer Hit Soft 17. I even ventured into the semi hi-limit area right beside it (the covered area, where the games are usually min $100) and to my surprise the games there have also been changed to Hit Soft 17. The only tables where the dealer Stays on soft 17 are now in the high limit room where min bet is $200. Wow. When I asked a dealer when and why they changed she said that they changed all of the tables about 1 week ago as the casino wanted "uniformity" throughout the BJ tables. Yeah right! She confirmed/understood though that this was a negative change for the player and acknowledged that skilled players will go elsewhere.

I usually stay at MGM/Bellagio and have only been trying out MB this year. I will now make the change back to MGM/Bellagio.

My play usually spreads 50-400. I don't want to spead 100-800 @ a Hit Soft 17 table.

Does anyone know if MGM Resorts International plans to make similar changes at their other prooperties such as Bellagio or MGM Grand?

Thanks

Over the years, I have seen Mandalay Bay try to convert their tables to h17 several times. Every single time they failed. Sometimes it took one week. Sometimes it took two months. But they all reverted back to S17. It is not worth to get that 0.20% advantage when revenue drops 40%. But every new genius manager had to try it.

 

[Coyote]

Just look at Caesar's. Is the absence of card counters hurting their bottom line? Hardly! They are the wave of the future. Ironclad games that will send Grosjean headlong into retirement (they wish).

Aslan, are you referring to the entire chain of Caesar's Entertainment properties? I'm heading to one in the near future.

 

[aslan]

Over the years, I have seen Mandalay Bay try to convert their tables to h17 several times. Every single time they failed. Sometimes it took one week. Sometimes it took two months. But they all reverted back to S17. It is not worth to get that 0.20% advantage when revenue drops 40%. But every new genius manager had to try it.

Maybe the point is, they continue to try. Eventually, they may succeed. At least we know they are under continuous pressure to improve the efficiency of their games, and should they ever do so without a corresponding decrease in revenues, well, there goes the neighborhood! As people get more and more accustomed to what were once dramatic changes (H17, 6:5, nls, poor pen, etc.) they slowly become inured to the damage done until it doesn't phase them in the least. I submit our current system of political parties by way of example.

 

[aslan]

Aslan, are you referring to the entire chain of Caesar's Entertainment properties? I'm heading to one in the near future.

I am not referring to any Caesar's property protected by real competition or state law, such as, Harrah's Chester.

 

[StudiodeKadent]

Over the years, I have seen Mandalay Bay try to convert their tables to h17 several times. Every single time they failed. Sometimes it took one week. Sometimes it took two months. But they all reverted back to S17. It is not worth to get that 0.20% advantage when revenue drops 40%.

That's very comforting news.

Thanks for saying that.

I hope that Mirage and Mandalay both suffer nice big drops in gaming revenue. That should teach 'em.

 

[Solo player]

Over the years, I have seen Mandalay Bay try to convert their tables to h17 several times. Every single time they failed. Sometimes it took one week. Sometimes it took two months. But they all reverted back to S17. It is not worth to get that 0.20% advantage when revenue drops 40%. But every new genius manager had to try it.

But reading threads from this board and others, it seems more corporate wide this time. They may not be so quick to switch things back this time.

 

[StudiodeKadent]

But reading threads from this board and others, it seems more corporate wide this time. They may not be so quick to switch things back this time.

According to this link: http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65238&page=4

Mirage has changed a few of their non-HL double deck games back to S17.

So there's still hope. We just need to keep the pressure on MGM.