Sonny
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Oh I'm pretty sure he would nail your ass if he caught you in Barona. He’s pretty upfront about that. He's warned several people about going there.zengrifter said:Would he ID a counter at Barona? Who know? zg
-Sonny-
Oh I'm pretty sure he would nail your ass if he caught you in Barona. He’s pretty upfront about that. He's warned several people about going there.zengrifter said:Would he ID a counter at Barona? Who know? zg
The link above failed, here is correct - http://web.archive.org/web/20041217145118/http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/greenbaize21/maxrubin.htmzengrifter said:My last emails with Rubin. zg-------------------------------
> > >From: [email protected]
> > >To: [email protected]
> > >
> > Your interview was a great read. However,
> > credentials alone don't qualify anyone for the Blackjack Ball. You also
> > have to be recommended by a regular attendee and
> > approved by the Blackjack Ball selection committee. Given
> > your extensive background in the craft, I'm sure that
> > you know many of the regulars. If you do, please have
> > one of them contact me regarding a potential
> > invitation.
> > >
> > >Max
> > >
> > >P.s. I have to be frank and tell you that your
> > >admission that you became a government informant
> > and went out of your way to entrap strangers into
> > committing crimes to get your sentence reduced
> > could be very troubling to the selection committee.
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> > > griftzen replied:
> > >
> > >Max - Frankly, I didn't know previously that
> > there was a formal committee, either.
> > As for the 'informat' part of my life,
> > I understand that it could be troubling for some...
> > but these were carreer
> > telephone-fraudsters who were
> > taking down hundreds of millions in retirees'
> > IRA funds.
> >
> > I will see about getting a referral and I won't
> > get my hopes up in any event.
> > > >
> > > > Ps - Some have found it troubling that you once
> > >worked for the casinos catching counters... but I'm
> > ok with it regards, m
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>--- Arnold Snyder wrote:
>
> > Uh Marcus,
> >
> > Max Rubin has never for even one day worked as a
> > counter catcher. That probably was not the thing to say
> >to get into the party.
> >
> > I will talk with Max, but I believe that your best
> > shot would be to let it rest for this year, since
> > the party is probably at
> > limit anyway, and let me
> > bring it up for next year.
> >
> > Hang in there,
> > Arnold
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> >Then Arnold Snyder wrote:
> >
> >Actually, I have found out you were right about
> >[Rubin being a counter-catcher].
> >
> >Sorry,
> >Arnold
Max Rubin on card-counter detection
The following quotations were taken from Max Rubin's sworn deposition, on 08/30/1994 at the Tropicana Hotel:
Q: Lawyer Daily to (Max Rubin): How long did you work as a card counter catcher?
A: Rubin Answers: A year, year and a half.
Q: Lawyer Daily: Could you tell me what your duties as a card counter catcher were?
A: Rubin Answers: Several. One I was--I had the pit, the double deck pit on grave yard where essentially the high limit play was on the Mirage on that particular shift and I was responsible for our looking at the high limit play, observe the betting patterns, those sort of things. Observing just the act the people put on, trying to identify people that were together and recognizing some sort of team play.”
...more - http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/greenbaize21/maxrubin.htm (Archive copy)
What year was that? I know they have employees who can count cards in rl now, and also software that can analyze play, but they still have, here and elsewhere, a number of staff who could not count to ten if their life depended on it. Mirage is one place where I know that at least sometimes, as the article says, surveillance may give the suspected counter a second chance, that is, once they appear to be counting they go additional shoes just to be sure. Other places may back you off immediately the first time you raise your bets in correlation to the count. And they are very customer friendly. If ID'd you might well be asked to simply flat bet as the article states. In other cases (if you have a case file) you may well be run out of town on a rail (read the trespass act). Funny how the casinos will spend several million on surveillance equipment and then low ball (salary-wise) the people that man the equipment and make it work (or not work) to the casino's advantage. It's like spending millions on a new car for NASA and then grabbing a driver off the street to race it for you. Go figure!zengrifter said:The link above failed, here is correct - http://web.archive.org/web/20041217145118/http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/greenbaize21/maxrubin.htm
I'm guessing circa 1991. zgaslan said:What year was that? I know they have employees who can count cards in rl now, and also software that can analyze play, but they still have, here and elsewhere, a number of staff who could not count to ten if their life depended on it.
card counters can never have enough balls. That said, it is common knowledge that Max works for the casinos. He has trained and worked with the Barona casino, who is the official sponsor of his BJ Ball.zengrifter said:
There's three 'Balls" - The Greenchip, the Victor Nacht Halloween Ball, and
the Rubin Ball (for the REAL PROS, invite strictly by "selection committee").
Maybe Ken will announce a Ball - The WBPITTW Ball. zg
My Acid Trip with Groucho
CP's BJ Bash became the defacto BJINFO Ball. zgzengrifter said:
There's three 'Balls" - The Greenchip, the Victor Nacht Halloween Ball, and
the Rubin Ball (for the REAL PROS, invite strictly by "selection committee").
Maybe Ken will announce a Ball - The WBPITTW Ball. zg
My Acid Trip with Groucho
Sonny said:Max has done a lot of work that benefits the AP community as well. That's how he got elected into the BJ Hall of Fame.
-Sonny-
This is simply not true. There were 50 or 100 people there.Sucker said:
The first inductees were voted upon at the first "blackjack ball", where only seven or eight people were invited; by GUESS WHO!!!
Sucker said:
The first inductees were voted upon at the first "blackjack ball", where only seven or eight people were invited; by GUESS WHO!!!
And if you think that I believe that there were strings attached when Nixon decided to make Ford president, you're right!!
My source for this statement was a phone call to someone who was there. And you're right; it was a misquote on my part. He said the number was seventy to eighty. My bad! Also; Max wasn't voted in until a year or two later. But my friend tells me that there WAS feel an inordinate amount of implied pressure to vote for him.Pro21 said:This is simply not true. There were 50 or 100 people there.
Was/is there a good case to be made as to why Rubin be an inductee Hall of Fame?Sucker said:My source for this statement was a phone call to someone who was there. And you're right; it was a misquote on my part. He said the number was seventy to eighty. My bad! Also; Max wasn't voted in until a year or two later. But my friend tells me that there WAS feel an inordinate amount of implied pressure to vote for him.
My thoughts on the BJ hall of "fame":
Anonymity is one of the most important traits of a pro BJ player. The fact that someone's in the hall of fame is proof that he doesn't belong there!
You are SO not getting invited!zengrifter said:Was/is there a good case to be made as to why Rubin be an inductee Hall of Fame?
How has Rubin advanced BJ? Is it safe to say that he is the least qualified? zg
Well ... the winners so far:Sucker said:My thoughts on the BJ hall of "fame":
Anonymity is one of the most important traits of a pro BJ player. The fact that someone's in the hall of fame is proof that he doesn't belong there!