MGM back-off. How long to stay away?

[Sucker]

I was asked to step away from the table after 10 minutes of play. I was there, on a different shift, 2 days earlier and played for 45 minutes. I was not doing anything paricularly noteworthy. Perhaps surveillance was bored and tuned in on me. Sometimes, **** happens. It was my first backoff in 2-3 years.

If it happened after only 10 minutes it's possible that you'd been flyered. Maybe because of the 45 minutes you played on an earlier date; maybe because of some other play you made. In particular, I'd be worried about a play I'd made at ONE of the MGM properties. According to Cellini, when surveillance gets a flyer it stays in a prominent place in the surveillance room for 30 days, then it goes into a drawer. I would stay away from ALL MGM properties for at least 30 days.

Another tip worth mentioning: Las Vegas is one thing, but any time you get backed off in a small venue such as Reno/Tahoe, Tunica, or Biloxi; you MUST leave town IMMEDIATELY. The risk of inter-casino communication in these small areas is tremendous.

 

[21forme]

This is an old thread.

I went back to Mirage my next trip to LV (2-3 months later) and no problem. Also had no problem that same trip at any other MGM place.

 

[FLASH1296]

Backoffs at MGM stores (and at most casinos for that matter) can have various results.

If the shift manager is a liberal sort, he will not make your backoff truly "permanent"

Note that this does not extend to being trespassed or being (verbally) "barred" and physically escorted off the property.

That situation should be viewed as tantamount to a virtual trespassing.
When one is simply backed-off they have been viewed as a lesser threat.

 

[Finn Dog]

Some places (MGM in particular) DO scan your DL when you sign up, but when the PC pulls up the info on his computer he does not have access to the pic.

I have a friend who got caught using someone's card, only because the age difference was 30 years. He explained that it was his uncle's card. It didn't work - he DID get barred.

Exactly. So you're at great risk just picking up any abandoned Players Card at a slot machine UNLESS you happen to have caught sight of the person who forgot the card AND you're relatively close in age.

Which creates two other problems: in order to accomplish this, one might have to lurk at the slot machines for an awful long time--not only cutting into valuable playing time, but raising the interest level of security who might think you're a thief.

FD

 

[Cherry7Up]

Backoffs at MGM stores (and at most casinos for that matter) can have various results.

If the shift manager is a liberal sort, he will not make your backoff truly "permanent"

FLASH, do you think there is any chance of this more merciful, non-permanent result for rated play?

My assumption has been that if playing rated, any backoff will probably be recorded as a flag in the players club account, but perhaps you have some wisdom or experience that indicates differently?

 

[FLASH1296]

It is very rare indeed to find such a friendly backoff.

Incidentally, using a player's card that you found is a crime,
as your assumed intent is to present yourself as someone
that you are not, in order to gain comps not meant for you.

That is larceny.

Ordinarily the casino will have surveillance take Hi-Res photos of you and often circulate said photos. They do not go so far as to prosecute.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

It is very rare indeed to find such a friendly backoff.

Incidentally, using a player's card that you found is a crime,
as your assumed intent is to present yourself as someone
that you are not, in order to gain comps not meant for you.

That is larceny.

Ordinarily the casino will have surveillance take Hi-Res photos of you and often circulate said photos. They do not go so far as to prosecute.

Wouldn't this only be a crime if you went a step further to actually get a fake ID to REDEEM the comps?

 

[FLASH1296]

"Wouldn't this only be a crime if you went a step further to actually get a fake ID to REDEEM the comps?"

That is like saying "possession of burglary tools" is not a crime.

 

[UncrownedKing]

"Wouldn't this only be a crime if you went a step further to actually get a fake ID to REDEEM the comps?"

That is like saying "possession of burglary tools" is not a crime.

Owning a lockpick, crowbar, a pair of gloves and a pair of pliers is not illegal, however using them to break into someone else's property is illegal. I don't think this applies to ID's, I believe owning a fake ID is illegal due to counterfeiting government documents.

 

[FLASH1296]

If you are found where you have no rational reason to be, such as scurrying about a private home's entryway, while in possession of "burglars tools", you will be charged with a criminal offense, if apprehended.

You said: "Owning a lockpick, crowbar, gloves and a pair of pliers is not illegal."

Ownership is moot. Possession is the issue.

 

[UncrownedKing]

If you are found where you have no rational reason to be, such as scurrying about a private home's entryway, while in possession of "burglars tools", you will be charged with a criminal offense, if apprehended.

You said: "Owning a lockpick, crowbar, gloves and a pair of pliers is not illegal."

Ownership is moot. Possession is the issue.

I stand corrected.