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Brock Windsor

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moo321 said:
There's probably some other guys we've never heard of that have done it as well.

It would be quite easy to win $1 million if you were already wealthy. Some rich hedge fund manager could go to Vegas, count some cards, and rip off a million dollar trip without too much trouble.

What would be harder is to build up a large net worth from blackjack alone, which is quite difficult...
C'mon moo. Check your numbers, you could win $1million but could never get $1million EV counting cards in a trip at the LV blackjack maximums.

Million $ blackjack players. Hyland, Grosjean definitely. Forte, Dukach, Chang probably. Snyder, Wong, Cagno possibly. All of these players used edges larger than straight card counting of course. I would be skeptical if anyone claimed to have netted $1million in EV just straight counting cards. Kevin Blackwood claims to have (on this site no less). Maybe he did but I am inclined to think he had a few other tricks mixed into that bag that helped him get there.
BW
 

Jack_Black

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tallmanvegas said:
I like the quote - If you think your so smart, how come your not rich!
intellect and wealth have nothing to do with each other. I have plenty of wealthy clients that I have to be patient with, or I have to explain circumstances at an elementary level for them to comprehend matters. And these are multi store, multi million dollar, enterprise owners!! Also take for example the many wealthy hedonistic scum of socialites and society. AKA Paris hilton, kim kardasian, playboy girls next door, the hills.

Then there's this guy who believes the pursuit of wealth and fame is an empty one at best.
 

bigplayer

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tallmanvegas said:
Are there any known blackjack players who have lifetime winnings over 1M. I would assume these would be the most well known researchers or card counting strategists that are on this forum or have written books.

Tallman
I know several people who have won over $1,000,000 in their careers. One counter I know has made a six figure income from playing blackjack for the last 25 years. That puts his lifetime winnings over $2,000,000. Many team blackjack players won over $1,000,000 or chunky six figures but had a majority of their winnings to to investors.
 

bigplayer

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Brock Windsor said:
C'mon moo. Check your numbers, you could win $1million but could never get $1million EV counting cards in a trip at the LV blackjack maximums.

Million $ blackjack players. Hyland, Grosjean definitely. Forte, Dukach, Chang probably. Snyder, Wong, Cagno possibly. All of these players used edges larger than straight card counting of course. I would be skeptical if anyone claimed to have netted $1million in EV just straight counting cards. Kevin Blackwood claims to have (on this site no less). Maybe he did but I am inclined to think he had a few other tricks mixed into that bag that helped him get there.
BW
I know one player personally who has won over $2,000,000 straight counting since the early 1980's as a solo player. He is a rare individual.
 

bigplayer

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moo321 said:
There's probably some other guys we've never heard of that have done it as well.

It would be quite easy to win $1 million if you were already wealthy. Some rich hedge fund manager could go to Vegas, count some cards, and rip off a million dollar trip without too much trouble.

What would be harder is to build up a large net worth from blackjack alone, which is quite difficult...
A seven figure trip win at blackjack would be pure luck...even betting orange.
 

Jack_Black

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zengrifter said:
Good catch. I'll bet 'Mathsputin' could play a decent game of BJ. zg
He wouldn't want to be bothered with such a trivial pursuit. He would rather pick his mushrooms. Even if he did play, look at him. I would bar him the second he walked in the door.

Google poincare conjecture, or millenium problems of the clay mathematics institute. Mind boggling stuff.
 

kewljason

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A million dollar cumulative win doesn't seem that unobtainable to me. :confused: Seems more about longevity. I mean if you play 25 years, you need only average 40 grand a year. I am well above 40 grand in earnings and EV for my last couple years and I don't even play the best games nor play at all that high of stakes, so I am sure someone like Mr. Blackwood, who sought out, and played the best games for many years is well over a million dollars for his career. I am not sure why this is such a measuring stick anyway. Someone who goes to work every day in another field and makes a million dollars over 20 some years, probably isn't even considered middle class anymore.
 
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shadroch

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I recall, as a Junior in High School, my teacher showing us aprint-out he'd gotten from Social Security showing he had earned just over a million dollars in his forty plus years of paying into it. I thought it was a big deal. I passed that mark some ten years ago and didn't even give it a second thought until recently when I realized how little I had to show for all the money I've made, and I save at more than triple the average Americans rate.
 

Jack_Black

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Sharky said:
dude, dem brows look awfully familier :laugh::whip:
I only wish I could grow them like that. Or maybe he got some cosmetic enhancements, by attaching some caterpillars to his face.:laugh:
 

Billy C1

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shadroch said:
I recall, as a Junior in High School, my teacher showing us aprint-out he'd gotten from Social Security showing he had earned just over a million dollars in his forty plus years of paying into it. I thought it was a big deal. I passed that mark some ten years ago and didn't even give it a second thought until recently when I realized how little I had to show for all the money I've made, and I save at more than triple the average Americans rate.
I've noticed that too. What do you attribute it to?

BillyC1
 

kewljason

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shadroch said:
I recall, as a Junior in High School, my teacher showing us aprint-out he'd gotten from Social Security showing he had earned just over a million dollars in his forty plus years of paying into it. I thought it was a big deal. I passed that mark some ten years ago and didn't even give it a second thought until recently when I realized how little I had to show for all the money I've made, and I save at more than triple the average Americans rate.
Not all things can be measured by the value of material things, Mr Shad. Hopefully, some of those funds went to a lifetime of experiences and enjoyment. :)
 

moo321

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Brock Windsor said:
C'mon moo. Check your numbers, you could win $1million but could never get $1million EV counting cards in a trip at the LV blackjack maximums.

Million $ blackjack players. Hyland, Grosjean definitely. Forte, Dukach, Chang probably. Snyder, Wong, Cagno possibly. All of these players used edges larger than straight card counting of course. I would be skeptical if anyone claimed to have netted $1million in EV just straight counting cards. Kevin Blackwood claims to have (on this site no less). Maybe he did but I am inclined to think he had a few other tricks mixed into that bag that helped him get there.
BW
I didn't say EV. I just said you could win that much counting if you had a large bankroll. And playing at a private table could get you really high maximums.
 
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Billy C1

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moo321 said:
I didn't say EV. I just said you could win that much counting if you had a large bankroll. And playing at a private table could get you really maximums.
How long do you think they'll let you play "your game" for big stakes at a private table?

BillyC1
 

Tarzan

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Million?

I know someone personally that has made over a million (net) in lifetime blackjack earnings and I'm sure there's more than just a few of them.
 

shadroch

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kewljason said:
Not all things can be measured by the value of material things, Mr Shad. Hopefully, some of those funds went to a lifetime of experiences and enjoyment. :)
Of course they did,but an awful lot got pissed away. Smoked five packs of smokes a week for almost twenty years,put small fortunes into rebuilding a few cars that were total moneypits. Then was the whole tipping thing. Talk about blackholes.
 
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