My 3-day Ban: An Open Letter

[zengrifter]

the Fight Club is such a waste. I find it hard to believe Arnold Snyder associates himself with Stalker,et al. I'm now denied access to the website because last week I sent a short note to Arnold Snyder telling him I thought he should s---can the whole site and start over again(without Stalker!) I'm surprised he's so into censorship.

I know! Of all the people! The Bish! zg(The Grif)

 

[zengrifter]

Here's another -

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Subject : ...Zengrifter working the small con
posted by Fake_Handle on 05-07-2007 12:56

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....it's ignorant and idiotic to prefer the presence of a con man, who is on a web site specifically to recruit new victims, to the presence of someone [STALKER] who is telling the truth about the con man but uses "potty-mouth" words. What you're saying is that it's fine for Ken Smith to support the rape of newbies at his web site, as long as the rapist uses pretty words.
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And regarding Zengrifter betting red chips, it was not because of a bet spread. He was betting red chips on games where any real pro would have been betting table max, and the reason he was betting red chips is because 1) he isn't really very skillful, and 2) he doesn't have any money. And the reason he doesn't have any money is because instead of building a real professional gambling career, which takes work and discipline, he relies on the small con--ripping newbies off for $5-$10k whenever he runs a little short.
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The guy wasn't even smart enough to pull off the big con.
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I have it on good information that Fake_Handle is the same poster as Radar O'Reily, the previous poster, and one of the owners of the Fight Club where several of us have been banned from offering counter punches. zg

 

[Automatic Monkey]

MY 6000th POST @ BJINFO! - I don't know if this is the same guy you are referring to, but here's a great interview
(not as good as the ZG Interview, of course). Talks about the education of a holecarder, etc. zg

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INTERVIEW WITH THE LEGENDARY HOLE-CARD PLAYER 'RC'

By RWM
(From Blackjack Forum Vol. XXIII #1, Spring 2003)
© 2003 Blackjack Forum

Not all professional blackjack players count cards. There is a very small group of professional gamblers using a technique with a much higher advantage. These players are known as "hole carders." If a blackjack player knows the dealer’s hole card his edge with perfect play is 13.06% according to Beyond Counting, by James Grosjean. Even with cover plays to mask what they do, the edge can be close to 10%. 10%! Card counters will fly off to Third World countries in the midst of a civil war to play a game with a 2% edge. Why isn’t everyone playing these games? The answer is: It ain’t easy.

For every one hour spent on the table playing, the hole-card player may spend ten hours scouting. He spends hours and hours walking in and out of casinos, often in hundred-degree heat, checking dealers for the slightest leak. Most players, even if shown a dealer who is flashing, would not be able to spot the hole card anyway. Hole carders spend hundreds of hours training their eyes to see something that flashes by in a fraction of a second, often cast in shadow.

...more - http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/interviewRC.htm

Now let's get this straight- you get a 10% edge holecarding but you spend only 10% of your working time playing. Multiplied out that sounds an awful lot like 1% advantage per unit time to me. Meanwhile I'm getting 1.2% counting a good game with a good spread, 100% of the time. And I don't need a BP and can play shoe as well as pitch. Holecarding doesn't sound like a very good deal.

 

[zengrifter]

Now let's get this straight- you get a 10% edge holecarding but you spend only 10% of your working time playing. Multiplied out that sounds an awful lot like 1% advantage per unit time to me. Meanwhile I'm getting 1.2% counting a good game with a good spread, 100% of the time. And I don't need a BP and can play shoe as well as pitch. Holecarding doesn't sound like a very good deal.

I could never spend 90% of my time looking for a flasher, but its a good deal when I stumble into one.

And, (seriously) I've found more flashers by first finding a hole-carder playing one. zg

 

[Craps Master]

Now let's get this straight- you get a 10% edge holecarding but you spend only 10% of your working time playing. Multiplied out that sounds an awful lot like 1% advantage per unit time to me. Meanwhile I'm getting 1.2% counting a good game with a good spread, 100% of the time. And I don't need a BP and can play shoe as well as pitch. Holecarding doesn't sound like a very good deal.

Think average bet size. With a bigger edge, you can bet a larger fraction of your bankroll. So, one hour of hole-carding at a 10% edge is better than 10 hours counting at a 1% (or 1.2%, if you want), because you're getting 10% of a much larger average bet size. You can't count and sit there at 2 x table max all the time. Seriously, think about these things a little before you post something like you just did. And that's just something like hole-carding. You can do even better with other techniques in terms of edge and hands per hour.

 

[zengrifter]

Think average bet size. With a bigger edge, you can bet a larger fraction of your bankroll. So, one hour of hole-carding at a 10% edge is better than 10 hours counting at a 1% (or 1.2%, if you want), because you're getting 10% of a much larger average bet size.

I think he's got you there A-Monkey! zg

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Think average bet size. With a bigger edge, you can bet a larger fraction of your bankroll. So, one hour of hole-carding at a 10% edge is better than 10 hours counting at a 1% (or 1.2%, if you want), because you're getting 10% of a much larger average bet size. You can't count and sit there at 2 x table max all the time. Seriously, think about these things a little before you post something like you just did. And that's just something like hole-carding. You can do even better with other techniques in terms of edge and hands per hour.

You're right, and I can't put out 10 X my average bet on any more than a handful of pitch games in the US without getting hawked and then trespassed. Most such games are heavily protected, employ the strongest dealers, thus you can't sit and play 2 x table max all the time there either.

Then there is variance. You are putting more money on the table with proper holecard strategy, then there is the risk that you will not see the holecard on any particular round. You cannot put out 10% of your BR on an expected 10% advantage in a blackjack game, particularly when you are doubling 5's and splitting 10's all the time.

There is no legal technique that can give you more advantage and hands per hour at that advantage than holecarding. Nextcarding can give you a higher advantage but those dealers are even rarer and less stable in their rate of exposure than holecarders. Unless you are talking about forcing dealer errors, but that doesn't work long enough to provide a sustainabe advantage.

 

[Sonny]

There is no legal technique that can give you more advantage and hands per hour at that advantage than holecarding. Nextcarding can give you a higher advantage but those dealers are even rarer and less stable in their rate of exposure than holecarders.

But what if there was a legal technique that let you do both?

-Sonny-

 

[Automatic Monkey]

But what if there was a legal technique that let you do both?

-Sonny-

Oh, that technique. That's going to get you one hand per shuffle at that advantage, assuming everything else works right and even if it works perfectly, it doesn't always give you a big advantage.

(Did I guess the technique?)

 

[eps6724]

But now I'm a "clueless neophyte-charlatan who makes a living ripping off newbies and hawking worthless books and software"!

"Huh, I tell ya, I get no respect! Its not easy being me!" zg

.........ZEN DANGERFIELD..................

What, you think YOU get no respect??? All of these newbies you're ripping off, and you have never ONCE offered to sell me a worthless book or software? What, my money's not GOOD enough for you to try and steal???:laugh:
EPS

 

[zengrifter]

Wow! That's quite a conspiracy theory. It almost belongs in the ZenZone!

BTW, I believe LVHCM has already "outed" himself on this board in an earlier post. A quick search will uncover some info he mentioned about a memorable experience back in 2002. If he didn't want his identity know then he could have edited or deleted that message. It looks like the cat is out of the bag and he doesn't mind.

-Sonny-

Thats what I said. zg

 

[zengrifter]

a quick google search confirms the el cortez story...

What google search? Post a link, please? zg

 

[zengrifter]

There's also an interview with him on Arnold Snyder's site.

-Sonny-

Got link? zg

 

[zengrifter]

the Fight Club is such a waste. I find it hard to believe Arnold Snyder associates himself with Stalker,et al. I'm now denied access to the website because last week I sent a short note to Arnold Snyder telling him I thought he should s---can the whole site and start over again(without Stalker!)
I'm surprised he's so into censorship.

One of the great paradoxes of gamblingdom - the once impeachable Bishop. zg