On Moderated Sites and Yahoo's CCC

[zengrifter]

NO DICE...

... you need to come clean if you are posting here, diverting attention to half-truths about me will NOT back me off. zg

 

[The Mayor]

Thanks, and...

I am allowing this one thread on the subject, as a good will gesture to try and help jumpstart CCC again. But this type of dialog will spread no further on these pages, you have my word!

--Mayor

 

[The Mayor]

To ZG and Rob

I would like to state that although ZG has made a couple of posts that did not respect the no Mythology doctrine of this site (and were busted), at no time have I ever considered ZG a trouble maker here. In fact, he is a welcomed and respected contributor. I am aware of his past and reputation, as are many. That simply does not matter here. His past is not a reason to treat him any differently here if he posts valuable and worthwhile information for the readership.

Likewise, I have spoken with Rob on the phone, and genuinely like him. His dedication to the game and his moral backbone ring true with me (though you wouldn't know it from my smiley face), and I am happy to have him here as a poster.

So, for the record, you are both welcome here, I like you both, and I encourage you both to continue discussing your issues (in this thread only), with (and this is my hope) an eye towards resolution of these issues. At least, that is my hope. Any flames or other carrying on in other threads that are disruptive to the positve spirit I wish to maintain here will be (the "b" word). Thank you for your understanding.

Best wishes to both of you, and to the future of CCC,

--Mayor

 

[alienated]

I don't know the ins and outs of this matter, but it seems from some of ZGs posts both here and at bj21.com that recent posting attempts by various CCC members have been thwarted. Rob, can you shed any light on this matter? Is this a deliberate policy or simply a technical glitch with Yahoo? I am somewhat perturbed that as a moderator I may inadvertantly be contributing to the frustration caused to CCC members.

If anyone would like to communicate with me privately on this matter, feel free to email me at:

[email protected]

I apologise to The Mayor for posting this here. I tried to post the same at CCC but couldn't seem to get it onto the board. (I am sure this was my own incompetence, not the actions of anybody else, since I have moderator status over there.)

It seems a pity to be burdening The Mayor's site with these internal difficulties rather than airing our views at CCC, but of course this is not possible if members are not free to express their opinions. I am grateful for The Mayor's tolerance (and also Stanford's at bj21.com) for allowing some communication between us at their sites.

Regards all,
Ted Forrester

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Hi Ted.....

Didn't know you were alienated here ;> I see you allowed some posts which I responded to that didn't need to be allowed, and you put the board back on to moderation, so I had to allow my last message over there. Feel free to bust any of them, including the ones I responded to.

I am busy this AM. We should talk later on. It is nice to see you are taking an interest in the board. Zengriper call you and get you out of bed?? ;>

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Re: To ZG and Rob

Thank you Mayor! Have a great day ya'self.

 

[learning to count]

Re: Thanks, and...

HERE HERE! CHEERS! CHEERS! Now lets play. HIT me. stand. aaaaah bust.OH well next hand. hmmmm +7tc hmmm max bet max side.....QH QH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[alienated]

Hi Rob.

"Didn't know you were alienated here."

In 'name' only. Actually, I chose that handle the first time I ever posted at bj21.com. The choice had nothing to do with any website. Just the way I was feeling at the time. With the interaction made possible for us lonely gamblers with all these websites, the handle is increasingly becoming a misnomer, but I stick to it for old time's sake...

"I see you allowed some posts which I responded to that didn't need to be allowed, and you put the board back on to moderation, so I had to allow my last message over there."

To be honest, I'm not really sure what's going on. But with the recent debate I realised I should probably sign in at CCC. Once there I simply noticed that there were some posts 'pending', so I approved them. I'm not sure what you mean by the board being "back on to moderation". (?) Is it really necessary for posts to await 'approval'? It seems rather draconian.

"Feel free to bust any of them, including the ones I responded to."

I would never bust one of your posts, Rob. Out of the question. Nor would I bust posts by any of the other regulars. I hope it's clear from past correspondence and my previous posts that I have a great deal of respect for all the regulars and moderators at CCC, including yourself and ZG. Surely you haven't forgotten my exuberance over your book!!!???

"I am busy this AM. We should talk later on."

Sure.

"It is nice to see you are taking an interest in the board. Zengriper call you and get you out of bed?? ;>"

I thought my sleeping habits were a safely guarded secret... No, not at all, though I will admit to receiving a slight shock when I saw my (other) handle associated with accusations of censorship, etc. Imagine how that makes an "anarchist/socialist" feel!!!??? Though, I guess, as an enthusiast of the 'free' market, you wouldn't know about that...

Regards,
Ted

PS to The Mayor: Thanks for letting us have this thread re: CCC. I understand it's annoying/tiresome for other posters/readers. From now on my posts will be strictly BJ, at least on the BJ Message Board.

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Hi Rob.

"Didn't know you were alienated here."

In 'name' only. Actually, I chose that handle the first time I ever posted at bj21.com. The choice had nothing to do with any website. Just the way I was feeling at the time. With the interaction made possible for us lonely gamblers with all these websites, the handle is increasingly becoming a misnomer, but I stick to it for old time's sake...

#I know of the alias but didn't connect it to you. I am happy that you don't feel like you used to.

"I see you allowed some posts which I responded to that didn't need to be allowed, and you put the board back on to moderation, so I had to allow my last message over there."

To be honest, I'm not really sure what's going on. But with the recent debate I realised I should probably sign in at CCC. Once there I simply noticed that there were some posts 'pending', so I approved them. I'm not sure what you mean by the board being "back on to moderation". (?) Is it really necessary for posts to await 'approval'? It seems rather draconian.

#I checked the site and saw some new posts go up, and saw that you approved them. I responded to them and my posts went up right away, so this means the switch was "turned on." Then my final post didn't go up automatically, so someone put the switch back to off, which is where it is at now. As you stated earlier, you porbably sat on it by accident or something....smile

"Feel free to bust any of them, including the ones I responded to."

I would never bust one of your posts, Rob. Out of the question. Nor would I bust posts by any of the other regulars. I hope it's clear from past correspondence and my previous posts that I have a great deal of respect for all the regulars and moderators at CCC, including yourself and ZG. Surely you haven't forgotten my exuberance over your book!!!???

#No, never my fine man. I am trying to keep the board "clean" of personal problems and highschool politics. ZG says my posts were busted, I said his were busted, he wants to overthrough me since I am the only mod doing anything over there, sends letters to his anal butt plug community so they can come on over and have a wet farting contest at the CCC.

"I am busy this AM. We should talk later on."

Sure.

"It is nice to see you are taking an interest in the board. Zengriper call you and get you out of bed?? ;>"

I thought my sleeping habits were a safely guarded secret... No, not at all, though I will admit to receiving a slight shock when I saw my (other) handle associated with accusations of censorship, etc. Imagine how that makes an "anarchist/socialist" feel!!!??? Though, I guess, as an enthusiast of the 'free' market, you wouldn't know about that...

#I can live with anarchism, socialism, capitalism, all of the isms known to man since I am none of those ideas. Given any job to do, I try to focus on how to do it with everyone's interests involved, plus my own, and sometimes, as anyone would, am willing to fight for it. You must understand this as an anarchist. I find that when an anarchist attacks a peaceful person, or a capitalist, or a socialist, or a moderator, that they think that the person is bound by their beliefs and will not fight back. Sun Tzu is laughing at me, I can hear him right now, the wrotten demon. Censorship is a word, like prejudice is. It is how it is used that makes it good or bad. Prejudging a person because of their skin color is not good. Keeping cigarette butts out of the evening salad is always good news. There are those that like to eat butts with their salad, and they are free to do so anyplace but at our house.

Regards,
Ted

PS to The Mayor: Thanks for letting us have this thread re: CCC. I understand it's annoying/tiresome for other posters/readers. From now on my posts will be strictly BJ, at least on the BJ Message Board.

#Yes, thanks. I think the Mayor in his own way likes the drama, but has kept it under control, which I respect. Drama Control, what a concept! ;>

~the end~

 

[The Mayor]

You tickled me

You said: "I think in his own way the mayor likes this drama..."

There is a ring to truth in that. What I like is for people to work on their dramas, and not let them hang. When issues are raised and there is not opportunity or a forum for the issues to be cleared, then this has the potential to become an all out flame war, crossing many different sites and threads. Not only the CCC, but many other flames, cross this boundary, including the Nacht/May flame, the Schlesinger/Cant flame, the Grant/RGBM flame, and many others. Flame control is what its all about, and my way of handling this is to allow it here in this thread and bust it elsewhere on this site. Thus, those who have something to say will keep it to this thread, and have a forum for their thoughts where they are not censored, but will still understand that this site is primarily about blackjack, not personalities.

--Mayor

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Re: You tickled me

grin I can set up something similar for the CCC. Actually zengriper has set up his BJ Flame War site. I can put a link up to it from the front page of the CCC to let people air their dirty laundry. I think he has about a dozen members at this site.

I have a sense of humour as I see you do too.

 

[zengrifter]

Love Letter to McRobo

--- blackjackpro2000 wrote:
> Listen Doltster, Daltster, whateverster, you posted the casino
> FIRST. I don't get a kick back from this casino. Your warning is
> identical to mine, and you don't even point the "ploppies"
> to the free money. It's not your game bro.
>
> Get off of my case ZenGangster (He's a Con Artist™) Why don't you
> just admit you are calling me out to have a go at me? Just in need
> of a little attention again? I think I can help you there....grin
-------------------

My Open Love Letter to
The (REAL) Robo McCoy

Your previous disclosure, from the old CCCafe, was adequate,
sufficient, and defacto 'approved' - to assume a lesser standard now
is inappropriate.

Regarding My ™-slogan for you, I borrowed it from Bob Stupak He's
Polish™ - it worked for him and it seemed to work for you when I
advertised your Fs&As book at bj21, recently.

When I referred my Dad in Samoa to your online soirree (one of MANY
friends and relatives I have referred and continue to refer), he
called me to ask about one of the promotions that you had recommended
and said the 200 members could take a certain online casino for
$20,000.

My Dad asked me if wasn't that still only $100 per member?

I replied oh well, he's Canadian - and it hit me - The He's Canadian™
School of Online Couponomics and BR funds arbitrage and virtual
capital consolidation.

Seriously, McRobo, I have only ever taken offense when you attacked
me outright, which has been often since (no not "sence") late last
year. Nor have I taken offense when you explain the joys of
profiting from Canadian/US exchange-rate differential, though cringe
I do... as I also cringe when when start that Jesus-yoodling
raterfarian rock `n roll trap-crap-rap, as also I do when you call
Teddy Binion "BINNY", but I do not take offense, nor do I when you
poke fun at me which I honestly enjoy.

When it comes to market branding, the ™-handle-slogan already is true
to a ti for me - The Grifter™, Zengrifter, make sense? (no
not "sence")

But yours (BlackjackPro) is oddly misleading - you are NOT, by
classic nor resourceful definition a "pro" - you are an intermediate
semi-part-timer with incredible insight, creativity, and dedication
and with a HEART that embraces all who you come into contact with -
with the good news of Jesus, card-counting, and of course
YOU, `Shoeless Joe from Hannibal Mo'.

Thus, by adding the offsetting 'He's Canadian™' we achieve a unique
and differentiated yet tempered MARKET BRANDING, disclosed yet
loveable - adding an underlying UNDERSTANDING with which to grasp the
CHAOS that is otherwise YOU.

A unique market positioning indeed. (even Forbes says I'm a marketing
genius, not to mention LAT, NYT, WSJ, etc.)

And while I am on the subject of loveable you, do you recognize the
dawning revelation of my public love letter here to you?

Except one more love-hate thing that really makes me cringe, my skin
crawl, its - 'grin' - thats right - GRIN - 'grin' is NOT a proper
newsgroup 'emotive' - FROM NOW ON USE A G***MN SMILEY FACE YOU
JOHN DENVER CAKES-ON-THE-GRIDDLE HILLBILLY COUNTRY-COUNTER KOOK FOR
JESUS! grin

Listen up Real Robo, Adi Da loves you and so do I!

zg

 

[zengrifter]

Robo FLAME COMMENTARY

Robo FLAME COMMENTARY

From: zengrifter
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:37 am
Subject: Re: Full Details w (FLAMING ROBO)

COMMENTARY BEGIN

> > The previous !!!***NOTICE***!!! was removed by yourself,
> attempting
> > to cover-up your past.

SCARY

I recently had someone ask me about you,
> whom
> > I told about your charges. He was very upset that he
> > didn't know this before he met you....yes, just as I was before I
> > made plans to team up with you.

FREAKY

> > If you were advertising it you would have used a link
> > like you did on Queens onLine casino post.

CRAZY

> > You were doing him a big favor, and quite possibly helped me out
in
> > the process.

GRATITUDE

$20,000 is equal to around $32,000 up here.

HE' CANADIAN™

> > I know you take it as an attack. It is an unfortunate part of
> > warning other players about your past scammings cons and
> racketeering
> > charges.

JUSTIFYING

As far as spelling goes, you also make mistakes. Check
> > your recent post telling me to warn people about basic "startegy"
I
> > think it was. Also see your post #23, the one that started the
> whole
> > thing. This post is full of your spelling mistakes.

MINE ARE TYPOS

> Sure it bothers you. Why would you bring it up if it didn't?

PARANOIA

I'm
> > across the lake from Rochester NY in the biggest city in our
> country,
> > and when I make $1000 totally on credit it's more like $1,600.

CANADIAN COUPONICS

> > not a farmer as you would try to make me out as, but I'm also not
a
> > street crawler like you are.

SOMEBODY SAY HILLBILLY

> > I am a writer and a musician and I think I came
> off
> > pretty well for a white boy.

GO WHITE BOY GO WHITE BOY

I do get kind of spiritual and feel
> > the "force" a lot around Christmas.

PAGAN HOLIDAY, YULETIDE CHEER

> I know that my relationship
> with
> > the most powerful source of LOVE bothers people like you, so I
have
> > toned it down out of respect so you can feel what you like to
feel.

DID SOMEONE SAY COP OUT?

> > Basically a stolen term to refer to yourself as, but yes,
> definitely
> > you.

STOLEN FROM FORBES

I'm about to metatag it to you, and it shall follow you
> around
> > as long as there is the Internet.

RETURN TO SCARY

> A pro knows when to avoid playing as well as when to play.
> I
> > use a count that remains superior to yours. I focus my attention
> on
> > the areas that provide the greatest EV, return on investment that
I
> > can.

PRO @ WORK -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackjackcardcounterscafe/message/4543
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackjackcardcounterscafe/message/4545
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackjackcardcounterscafe/message/4547
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackjackcardcounterscafe/message/4998
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackjackcardcounterscafe/message/6203

>I do not hide behind the mask of a counter like you do to
> > prevent people from knowing what you really are, looking for
> > unsuspecting people to email to get them to join bankrolls so you
> can
> > scam their money from them. You ARE a professional.

A VENGEFUL PARANOID

> > The chaos is created by you struggling away from what you really
> are.

I"M TRYING BODHISATTVA, NO WAIT, I"M TRYING NOT TO TRY, NO WAIT...

> > even Forbes says I'm a marketing
> > > genius, not to mention LAT, NYT, WSJ, etc.)
> >
> > That's what they said before they realized what you really are.
> > Then they
> > followed up with scammer, con man, etc

NO, BEAR BREATH, IT WASN'T LATER - DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU SPOUT YOUR
OWN UNREAL CONCLUSIONS? (WHICH IS MORE AND MORE OFTEN)

> > I Like to end with a smile... Like
> > you do when you depart with a pocket full of someone's cash "for
> > the
> > team."

ARE YOU CHANNELING? ARE YOU POSSESSED OF DEMONS?

> > It seems to me that your
> psychopathic
> > needs are coming to a head and you need to make a new score to
get
> > your high, to get the flow of the compulsive gamblers toxin one
of
> > your post describes.

"FEED MY PSYCHOPATHIC NEEDS" WOWIE FREAKY SCAREY GUY!

> >
> > I really don't have the time for this, but thought I would
> entertain
> > you one last time.

THANK YOU CHURCHMASTER, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?

> Without an audience it is not as much fun for
> you
> > is it? I would like this little war to carry on somewhere else,
> but
> > you won't have that now will you?

THIS TOO IS NOW AT BJFLAME, WAS IT AS GOOD FOR YOU AS IT WAS FOR ME?
LOVE, ZG(KARMA-PURIFIED BY ROBO-FLAME)