KewlJ
Well-Known Member
The beauty of these forums is hearing opinions of many different players. Opinions need to be differentiated from someone stating something as fact that simply isn’t, and can easily be proven that it isn’t.
Now I have an opinion and one that I feel strongly about that many proponents of so called higher level counts, only consider the benefits of such a count, which can easily be measured by computer simulation. They refuse to even consider the possibility of a higher error rate that would offset some of that benefit. In other words they are accepting they plus but refuse to even consider possible minuses. That is my opinion. People are free to agree or disagree. Don, for one disagrees. But I am entitled to that opinion.
Now let’s compare that to some examples of players stating as fact things that clearly aren’t so and can be easily proven.
How about a guy who for years repeatedly states that “no player can make any money playing hi-lo” or “that no professional players play hi-lo”. Are these opinions? In my mind they are being stated as facts that are clearly not true and easily proven as such.
How about a person claiming their super duper system wins at 5 times the rate of traditional blackjack card counting, a 500% increase as he put it AND does so without experiencing any variance.
Are these last two examples opinions the same as my opinion about error rate, or are these latter two erroneos facts?
I contend there is a difference and that the first is opinion of which anyone can agree or disagree, while the latter are not opinion and should be called out and challenged. I think it is not only our right, but our responsibility to call out something demonstrably false statements that are easily proven as such.
Now let’s take it a step further. Suppose you don’t agree with me that there is any difference and you think all the above examples fall under opinion. Is it right that one person’s opinion, right or wrong is shut down either because the owner doesn’t agree with that opinion or worse yet, doesn't care for that person personally? I mean let’s remember what opinion is and why it is so valuable to these forums.
And that’s all I am going to say about that.
Ok, one more comment: someone stating what a person said and mischaracterizing it, while not allowing that person to respond, is just weak, really, really weak. If you are going to make such accusations allow the person to opportunity to respond. Especially, when you are misc-characterizing what was said. What was the term used...."re-writing history".
Now I have an opinion and one that I feel strongly about that many proponents of so called higher level counts, only consider the benefits of such a count, which can easily be measured by computer simulation. They refuse to even consider the possibility of a higher error rate that would offset some of that benefit. In other words they are accepting they plus but refuse to even consider possible minuses. That is my opinion. People are free to agree or disagree. Don, for one disagrees. But I am entitled to that opinion.
Now let’s compare that to some examples of players stating as fact things that clearly aren’t so and can be easily proven.
How about a guy who for years repeatedly states that “no player can make any money playing hi-lo” or “that no professional players play hi-lo”. Are these opinions? In my mind they are being stated as facts that are clearly not true and easily proven as such.
How about a person claiming their super duper system wins at 5 times the rate of traditional blackjack card counting, a 500% increase as he put it AND does so without experiencing any variance.
Are these last two examples opinions the same as my opinion about error rate, or are these latter two erroneos facts?
I contend there is a difference and that the first is opinion of which anyone can agree or disagree, while the latter are not opinion and should be called out and challenged. I think it is not only our right, but our responsibility to call out something demonstrably false statements that are easily proven as such.
Now let’s take it a step further. Suppose you don’t agree with me that there is any difference and you think all the above examples fall under opinion. Is it right that one person’s opinion, right or wrong is shut down either because the owner doesn’t agree with that opinion or worse yet, doesn't care for that person personally? I mean let’s remember what opinion is and why it is so valuable to these forums.
And that’s all I am going to say about that.
Ok, one more comment: someone stating what a person said and mischaracterizing it, while not allowing that person to respond, is just weak, really, really weak. If you are going to make such accusations allow the person to opportunity to respond. Especially, when you are misc-characterizing what was said. What was the term used...."re-writing history".
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There are a small group of trolls, that have a strong dislike for me, and I am ok with that. I bring some of that on myself. But you aren't fooling anyone. Everyone can spot you guys trolling me from forum to forum a mile away.