Overpaid by dealer

[AC232323]

Playing at local casino (checked in with players card) and was overpaid by dealer by about $50. The dealer took a very, very long time trying to figure out how much to pay me--it was on a blackjack and very late and I guess he just messed up. Given how long he sat and stared at it and the fact that there were only three tables being dealt at that time, I would guess that the eye in the sky caught the mistake. I cashed out after that hand; do you think there is a chance that the casino will inform me that they overpaid me and ask me to give back the money the next time I go in? Am I under any obligation to do so?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Playing at local casino (checked in with players card) and was overpaid by dealer by about $50. The dealer took a very, very long time trying to figure out how much to pay me--it was on a blackjack and very late and I guess he just messed up. Given how long he sat and stared at it and the fact that there were only three tables being dealt at that time, I would guess that the eye in the sky caught the mistake. I cashed out after that hand; do you think there is a chance that the casino will inform me that they overpaid me and ask me to give back the money the next time I go in? Am I under any obligation to do so?

Highly unlikely $50 would ever be an issue, and if they told you to give it back, you could say "No" and their only recourse would be in civil court. Mispays are a significant part of my pay.

Best mispay story I have: I am holecarding 3CP, see a Q, I have a K. Dealer rolls a Q-5-4... all of diamonds. I start to curse, and the dealer doesn't realize she has a flush and pays me. This was for a bit more than $50.

 

[jaygruden]

Playing at local casino (checked in with players card) and was overpaid by dealer by about $50. The dealer took a very, very long time trying to figure out how much to pay me--it was on a blackjack and very late and I guess he just messed up. Given how long he sat and stared at it and the fact that there were only three tables being dealt at that time, I would guess that the eye in the sky caught the mistake. I cashed out after that hand; do you think there is a chance that the casino will inform me that they overpaid me and ask me to give back the money the next time I go in? Am I under any obligation to do so?

I have had the PB come to me several times over the years during a session to tell me that the eye in the sky noticed that the dealer overpaid me on a hand and that I owed them X amount of dollars. Since I never correct the dealer for overpaying me, I usually know the hand they are talking about but, of course, I always act surprised. There have been 1-2 instances when this happened and I wasn't aware of the overpayment. I begrudgingly hand it over none-the-less because I don't want to force anyone to "go back and review the tape" for fear of what else they will see when they do it.

It has never happened when I left before they could collect that they have tried to collect upon my return and I don't think they would/could try to do that.

 

[MH1]

I remember one time at a full table, the dealer had a ten up and flipped over an ace in the hole. Everybody groaned and she looked disappointed, then took all the cards and put them in the discard tray without taking anyone's bets! No one said anything, and as she started dealing the next hand, she asked, "Wait a minute, did I just forget to take all of your bets when I had blackjack?" No one said anything, and she said, "Oh no I think I did forget. Oh well." :grin:

 

[tthree]

I remember one time at a full table, the dealer had a ten up and flipped over an ace in the hole. Everybody groaned and she looked disappointed, then took all the cards and put them in the discard tray without taking anyone's bets! No one said anything, and as she started dealing the next hand, she asked, "Wait a minute, did I just forget to take all of your bets when I had blackjack?" No one said anything, and she said, "Oh no I think I did forget. Oh well." :grin:

It's unlikely that the ploppy that tells you it's a team game and don't hit your soft 17 but tells the dealer she mispayed you (team play?) will speak up in this scenario. Even the honest guy who points out when he himself is mispayed usually holds his tongue here.

 

[Freightman]

Highly unlikely $50 would ever be an issue, and if they told you to give it back, you could say "No" and their only recourse would be in civil court. Mispays are a significant part of my pay.

Best mispay story I have: I am holecarding 3CP, see a Q, I have a K. Dealer rolls a Q-5-4... all of diamonds. I start to curse, and the dealer doesn't realize she has a flush and pays me. This was for a bit more than $50.

My favorite mispay nis getting paid 3:2 on my surrender

 

[PonyPrincess]

Mispays are a significant part of my pay.
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This for me as well. Just don't say anything.

 

[joeblackjack]

At the Monte Carlo in Vegas, I was playing decent money and the shift boss came over and told me that about 2 hours prior, I had been paid on a $2,000 push and they wanted it back. Offered to show the tape, blah blah blah. I didn't notice it, and either did the pit boss that had been constantly watching the game, but I acquiesced. It seemed pretty lame to me, given that I was winning over $200K for the trip, but they apparently didn't care about how cheap it made them look. As the pit boss was walking me to the cage when I was done playing, he told me that by not making a huge deal out of it, I had probably saved the dealer's job. A few days later, a dealer at Bellagio was paying me $15,000 and put an extra flag on top for a $20,000 payout. Remembering the experience at Monte Carlo, I figured I'd better call her attention to it. Maybe I should have just kept the extra flag lol.

 

[Gamblor]

At the Monte Carlo in Vegas, I was playing decent money and the shift boss came over and told me that about 2 hours prior, I had been paid on a $2,000 push and they wanted it back. Offered to show the tape, blah blah blah. I didn't notice it, and either did the pit boss that had been constantly watching the game, but I acquiesced. It seemed pretty lame to me, given that I was winning over $200K for the trip, but they apparently didn't care about how cheap it made them look. As the pit boss was walking me to the cage when I was done playing, he told me that by not making a huge deal out of it, I had probably saved the dealer's job. A few days later, a dealer at Bellagio was paying me $15,000 and put an extra flag on top for a $20,000 payout. Remembering the experience at Monte Carlo, I figured I'd better call her attention to it. Maybe I should have just kept the extra flag lol.

Oh yeah at that level your damn right you shouldn't take advantage of a mis-pay, probably pointless. Think most of us are talking about table amounts at a lot less than that.

 

[bigplayer]

Playing at local casino (checked in with players card) and was overpaid by dealer by about $50. The dealer took a very, very long time trying to figure out how much to pay me--it was on a blackjack and very late and I guess he just messed up. Given how long he sat and stared at it and the fact that there were only three tables being dealt at that time, I would guess that the eye in the sky caught the mistake. I cashed out after that hand; do you think there is a chance that the casino will inform me that they overpaid me and ask me to give back the money the next time I go in? Am I under any obligation to do so?

They almost never notice...however if under the very rare circumstance that they notice the error and ask for their money back you probably should give it to them to protect your ability to play there in the future as it's likely you'll be 86'd if you don't give the money back. Whether you're arrested depends on many things like whether you were aware of the error at the time which is hard for the casino to prove. I suggest you listen to the online podcast of guest lawyer Bob Nersesian on Bob Dancer and Richard Munchkin's radio program. He talked about this at some length.

 

[tthree]

They almost never notice...however if under the very rare circumstance that they notice the error and ask for their money back you probably should give it to them to protect your ability to play there in the future as it's likely you'll be 86'd if you don't give the money back. Whether you're arrested depends on many things like whether you were aware of the error at the time which is hard for the casino to prove. I suggest you listen to the online podcast of guest lawyer Bob Nersesian on Bob Dancer and Richard Munchkin's radio program. He talked about this at some length.

Was this the part of the show titled sure ways to get your play reviewed with a microscope? If they ask resist a little but give it back unless you never plan on playing in the casino or it's affiliates again.

 

[flyingwind]

I have had the PB come to me several times over the years during a session to tell me that the eye in the sky noticed that the dealer overpaid me on a hand and that I owed them X amount of dollars. Since I never correct the dealer for overpaying me, I usually know the hand they are talking about but, of course, I always act surprised. There have been 1-2 instances when this happened and I wasn't aware of the overpayment. I begrudgingly hand it over none-the-less because I don't want to force anyone to "go back and review the tape" for fear of what else they will see when they do it.

Aren't you afraid that if a mispay is corrected by the eye and the PC is telling you this, that means the eye is watching you very very carefully already? Is it a subtle signal that they're on to you?

(I suppose the answer may differ depending on whether you're redchipper, green chipper, black, or more)

 

[jaygruden]

Aren't you afraid that if a mispay is corrected by the eye and the PC is telling you this, that means the eye is watching you very very carefully already? Is it a subtle signal that they're on to you?

(I suppose the answer may differ depending on whether you're redchipper, green chipper, black, or more)

I see your point but I've only been CC'ing for just under one year and was just a BS player (aka, ploppy) for some 15 years before that. When I say "several times over the years", I mean that over that 16 year span it's happened maybe 6-8 times where a PB came to collect an overpayment from me. I hope they were watching me closely back then....that would mean they have me logged in there book as that "BS progressive bettor" and see me as no threat. It's happened to me 1x as a CC and yes I left rather quickly after that episode and stayed away from the store for awhile after.