PA casinos' report card
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BJgenius007
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Try Wheeling Island and Mountaineer Casino. It makes me wonder the whole state of WV are all degenerates.aslan said:Try Charles Town WVA sometime.
aslan
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I've heard they have somewhat of a common gene pool. :whip: just kiddingBJgenius007 said:
But one time me and another guy went with a third guy named Fatkin to look for his aunt and uncle. We drove through a lot of WVa and stopped along the way to talk with people. It was funny because just about everyone we stopped and talked to was somehow related to him. We finally found his aunt and uncle (I couldn't believe it) at Mount Savage, Maryland. Thar's a lot of marryin goin on in them thar hills! :whip:
blackchipjim
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PA demographics?
No PA casinos don't have anymore morons than anyplace else they are just new at it. It's called coming out of the woodwork and it will take a few years before they are broke and don't show up anymore. This phenom is prevelant anywhere new states ratify gambling laws and start ups open up. I found it took certain areas of new york four years to break the local yokuls and send them packing. The really dumb ones lose everything quickly but there are hard core dummies that keep coming back regardless.
No PA casinos don't have anymore morons than anyplace else they are just new at it. It's called coming out of the woodwork and it will take a few years before they are broke and don't show up anymore. This phenom is prevelant anywhere new states ratify gambling laws and start ups open up. I found it took certain areas of new york four years to break the local yokuls and send them packing. The really dumb ones lose everything quickly but there are hard core dummies that keep coming back regardless.
aslan
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Not exactly, they just might not fill up the ranks quite as fast after the first ones go down.blackchipjim said:
Truth be, "There's a sucker born every minute." George Hull
That would make about 43,000 a month.
Assuming George meant in the USA alone, that still seems low to me since their are about 350,000 births each month in the US, so only about 1 in 8 are suckers/ploppies/call them what you will. blackchipjim, don't you think some areas have more yahoos than others?
C'mon now, some places seem to have more than their share of the brutish, stupid creatures, don't they? :devil: :whip:
blackchipjim
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demographics?
Aslan you have to understand the demographics of the area in question. A casino has regulars and others that come to play in any given day. Location is a big part of the make up of who walks thru the door on a regular basis. I agree some areas don't have as many rocket science majors as others as is true on the lower end of the scale. Income has alot to do with who frequents the places and if it's discrestionary income or other. The viability of the casino is placement and who shows up on a regular basis or other?
Aslan you have to understand the demographics of the area in question. A casino has regulars and others that come to play in any given day. Location is a big part of the make up of who walks thru the door on a regular basis. I agree some areas don't have as many rocket science majors as others as is true on the lower end of the scale. Income has alot to do with who frequents the places and if it's discrestionary income or other. The viability of the casino is placement and who shows up on a regular basis or other?
aslan
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Maybe my remarks are too comical, but you have to understand, too, that people with deep pockets come from Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and other larger east coast cities to visit these PA casinos. At Charles Town in WVA, the $25 and $50 tables are always crowded, yahoos abound, and there is no sign of easing the table limits. Often, no $15 tables are even open. The deep pockets drive in from the Washington, DC area; the yahoos drive in from everywhere. With all the slots in all these casinos, I don't think you will find too much of a slow down on the influx of morons due to burnout. It's just that a lot of them now have a new way to spend their entire paychecks other than local bars, drugs, new trucks, and 55-inch TVs.blackchipjim said:
Looking back at another thread...
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=20610&page=2
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=20610&page=2
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blackchipjim
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Discrestionary income?
That is the key to survival in the casino business but is greatly overlooked. How many casinos are centered aroung large populations and how many are not coupled with how many are still solvent among those? Many of us have seen deep pockets with pea sized brain gamblers roll in and roll out of the joints dropping thousands if not ten of thousands on luck. Look at the Vegas areas and just look at the bankruptcy rate! There is not an endless supply of money laying around everyone's house. It is of my oppinion that alot of failures in the casino industry that are non vegas are do to poor market research. Why build a joint in the middle of nowhere? The Vegas phenom was bankrolled by you know who and that was an exception not a rule.
That is the key to survival in the casino business but is greatly overlooked. How many casinos are centered aroung large populations and how many are not coupled with how many are still solvent among those? Many of us have seen deep pockets with pea sized brain gamblers roll in and roll out of the joints dropping thousands if not ten of thousands on luck. Look at the Vegas areas and just look at the bankruptcy rate! There is not an endless supply of money laying around everyone's house. It is of my oppinion that alot of failures in the casino industry that are non vegas are do to poor market research. Why build a joint in the middle of nowhere? The Vegas phenom was bankrolled by you know who and that was an exception not a rule.
aslan
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Plus, they managed to make it a haven for vacationers with numerous, glitzy casinos, convenient lodging, golf courses, shopping, sightseeing (Grand Canyon, painted desert, Hoover Dam), convention mecca, and pretty decent weather most of the year. Those ingredients would work in a lot of places.blackchipjim said:
blackriver
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its not like they dont realize this. they dont build casinos where they want. they build casinos where they CANblackchipjim said:
blackchipjim
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store locations?
From the Pa casinos I have visited which are three they seem to be located along major highways. I'm unaware of the others' accesability question. Innercity casinos keep alot of potential customers away because of safety issues. I say don't bother building it if isn't in the right place or fight for a better locaction and accessability.
From the Pa casinos I have visited which are three they seem to be located along major highways. I'm unaware of the others' accesability question. Innercity casinos keep alot of potential customers away because of safety issues. I say don't bother building it if isn't in the right place or fight for a better locaction and accessability.
blackriver
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this is a much more complex topic. casinos arent always allowed to build where they want just like arenas strip clubs or power plants etc (the list goes on and actually includes basically everything). casinos and their relationship with their surroundings is complicated. in some places they are seen as a detriment to an area but enough lobbying and bribery make it happen. in some places they are seen as good for tourism.
where a casino is built and how it is run depends on the the strenght of interests involved. i think somestimes your right and its just an idiot wasting his money. more often a casinos fate is determined by luck and the power and motivations of the relevant regulators, investors and operators and the communications between them. a financially burdened state/city will try to extract more from casinos, casinos try to show modest earning to discourage unfavorable tax ramifications and encourage favorable legislation. investers just want money but just like all the ceos on the last 10 years, sometimes the people building and operating the casino dont have the same incentives as the investers do. (Consider the possibility that any industry enjoying lots of success will draw attention of investors and hustlers. the hustlers will try to convince investors to give them their money and theyll spin cotton into gold for them. the investors dont know the industry (often are just wealthy heirs who seek the glamorous industries [nightlife, entertainment etc]) so they trust what they think is serious "insider." The insider might make themn money or not depending on luck but will likely be paid handsomly for trying. so what do they care if it succeeds or not? once you recognise this pattern youll see it everywhere and it explains lots of things that otherwise dont make any sense. ) i could go on but i think thats enough to show this is a much more complex problem than "buy the propertys that community chest/chance cards make people land on"
where a casino is built and how it is run depends on the the strenght of interests involved. i think somestimes your right and its just an idiot wasting his money. more often a casinos fate is determined by luck and the power and motivations of the relevant regulators, investors and operators and the communications between them. a financially burdened state/city will try to extract more from casinos, casinos try to show modest earning to discourage unfavorable tax ramifications and encourage favorable legislation. investers just want money but just like all the ceos on the last 10 years, sometimes the people building and operating the casino dont have the same incentives as the investers do. (Consider the possibility that any industry enjoying lots of success will draw attention of investors and hustlers. the hustlers will try to convince investors to give them their money and theyll spin cotton into gold for them. the investors dont know the industry (often are just wealthy heirs who seek the glamorous industries [nightlife, entertainment etc]) so they trust what they think is serious "insider." The insider might make themn money or not depending on luck but will likely be paid handsomly for trying. so what do they care if it succeeds or not? once you recognise this pattern youll see it everywhere and it explains lots of things that otherwise dont make any sense. ) i could go on but i think thats enough to show this is a much more complex problem than "buy the propertys that community chest/chance cards make people land on"
blackriver
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by luck i dont so much mean how lucky the casinos are at the games they host within the casino themselves, but that too i guess.
I forget the whole story, but i believe my thoughts help shed light on how atlantic city got shut down briefly a couple years ago
I forget the whole story, but i believe my thoughts help shed light on how atlantic city got shut down briefly a couple years ago
Haven't had a chance to head out to PA yet but I'm looking into it SOON! Anyone have any suggestions/preferences? I'm looking for a spot that could be reached by bus from NYC (Greyhound/Academy etc) and has a hotel for overnight stay..
Also, are there any current offers to join players clubs, trade in your high-tier card from AC casino and get $$$?
I'm looking for a spot that could be reached by bus from NYC (Greyhound/Academy etc) and has a hotel for overnight stay..Also, are there any current offers to join players clubs, trade in your high-tier card from AC casino and get $$$?
Tarzan
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Great PA games?
So far I had read that PA BJ games have 66% CSM's and the rest are ASM's... are there any hand-shuffled games? I need to read into this further and find out more before I say too much. I haven't been to any of the PA casinos yet but I'm already questioning people saying they are better than AC if they have no hand-shuffled games. Do you mean they have better games at lower stakes/minimums?
Something Aslan wrote about playing a red chip game. Red chip low stakes games are generally unplayable (by me anyway). Playing lower stakes against 8 decks instead of 6, H17 instead of S17 and an autoshuffler instead of a hand-shuffled game is just no way to go and makes for an insurrmountable HA obstacle. Maybe it's time to up the bankroll to facilitate playing green and black chip games where you can have better rules and conditions?
So far I had read that PA BJ games have 66% CSM's and the rest are ASM's... are there any hand-shuffled games? I need to read into this further and find out more before I say too much. I haven't been to any of the PA casinos yet but I'm already questioning people saying they are better than AC if they have no hand-shuffled games. Do you mean they have better games at lower stakes/minimums?
Something Aslan wrote about playing a red chip game. Red chip low stakes games are generally unplayable (by me anyway). Playing lower stakes against 8 decks instead of 6, H17 instead of S17 and an autoshuffler instead of a hand-shuffled game is just no way to go and makes for an insurrmountable HA obstacle. Maybe it's time to up the bankroll to facilitate playing green and black chip games where you can have better rules and conditions?
pieinthesky
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PA casino bus trips
(Dead link: http://www.mountairycasino.com/motorcoach/bus_tours.cfm)
There is a hotel; I don't know if they honor other casinos' players' cards.
Last time I was there, lower limit tables were crowded on weekends.
Mt Airy has the following:ms069279 said:Haven't had a chance to head out to PA yet but I'm looking into it SOON! Anyone have any suggestions/preferences?
Also, are there any current offers to join players clubs, trade in your high-tier card from AC casino and get $$$?
(Dead link: http://www.mountairycasino.com/motorcoach/bus_tours.cfm)
There is a hotel; I don't know if they honor other casinos' players' cards.
Last time I was there, lower limit tables were crowded on weekends.
Automatic Monkey
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I've found them crowded at all times, even when the casino is nearly empty. As is the norm now, they rush over to shut down any table that isn't completely full.pieinthesky said: