Pit feels heat?

[Dopple]

I wonder what kind of money you have to be pulling off a table for the pit boss to start feeling heat from his boss or for them to really start to focus on your game.

If you are just making 50-100 bucks an hours I suppose they are going to want you out if they can see you win more than the average bear.

Wouldn't a guy be a little better off on a busier table with some half drunk losers plopping down alot of money. I have always thought their losses and noise and what not would take a little of the heat off you.

 

[EasyRhino]

I think it depends HUGELY on the joint (and on the PC in particular).

I don't know what the average daily win is per table at most casinos. this thread mentioned $2600 a day. If you win more than that, then you just managed to wipe out that one table's earnings for the day. But I have no idea what kind of table that number comes from, if you're playing at a joint with $50 or $100, then the threshold is a lot smaller. At one small-medium joint, one PC joked with another "well, there goes your daily numbers" after I won a particularly big hand.

Of course, even most pit critters know that big swings can happen, especially when it's a relative high roller. A famous example would be Kerry Packer, who could throw off the quarterly figured of even the largest casinos.

But if your expected win per day begins to exceed that of a table, then I think some heat would be very justified.

... and then there are some places which will toss you at the bat of an eye.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

I would think it would also depend on whether they saw u as a threat or not.

I mean, if you are noticeably counting, then they may kick you out for winning (or even losing!) anything, but if you look like a drunken ploppy, you could stay in for a while.

 

[Diver]

I had a polite back off +

apparently due to taking $1500 on a $25 min DD game and had zero sign of heat from the PB at casino B; in fact he was engaging in genial banter the very few times he came around. But I made a dumb rookie mistake by coming back on a different shift and was quickly (within minutes) asked to leave (yes, I even gave them a player's card both times). This was a very slow week as far as total traffic for the casinos, but in any case I presume I took enough to warrant someone looking at the "tape" after I cashed out. I was very carefull about only increasing my bet after a win and only by the amount previously bet. But I'm sure it was obvious I had much more in on high counts. No problem at casino A where I was staying when I used the same card for the next two days. So either the info wasn't shared, or casino A didn't think I was a threat.

 

[davidpom]

casinos differ

Every casino works to different criteria. But from experience (I'm barred in all uk land-based casinos for card counting) NO casino likes you taking money on MORE THAN ONE visit - in a consistent (or fairly consistent) fashion.

the pit boss controls the game but also aims to protect the casino's cash. If they think you're winning, Or CAN WIN consistently, they might bar you.

It's unfair (it happened to me) but I can understand their position.

 

[bj bob]

Looks can be deceiving

apparently due to taking $1500 on a $25 min DD game and had zero sign of heat from the PB at casino B; in fact he was engaging in genial banter the very few times he came around. But I made a dumb rookie mistake by coming back on a different shift and was quickly (within minutes) asked to leave (yes, I even gave them a player's card both times). This was a very slow week as far as total traffic for the casinos, but in any case I presume I took enough to warrant someone looking at the "tape" after I cashed out. I was very carefull about only increasing my bet after a win and only by the amount previously bet. But I'm sure it was obvious I had much more in on high counts. No problem at casino A where I was staying when I used the same card for the next two days. So either the info wasn't shared, or casino A didn't think I was a threat.

Be careful as to what you perceive to be a "different" shift. Just because the floor crew are being rotated it doesn't necessarily mean the the sky crew does the same. I have heard that some houses actually stagger shifts so that the same surveillance personnel are not always keeping an eye on the same floor crew, thus avoiding a "buddy" system potential.
Keep in mind also that on any given day anyone upstairs can be filling in or pulling a double shift and consequently you'll be scrutinized by the same pair of eyes without even knowing.

 

[sagefr0g]

Be careful as to what you perceive to be a "diiferent" shift. Just because the floor crew are being rotated it doesn't necessarily mean the the sky crew does the same. I have heard that some houses actually stagger shifts so that the same surveillance personnel are not always keeping an eye on the same floor crew, thus avoiding a "buddy" system potential.
Keep in mind also that on any given day anyone upstairs can be filling in or pulling a double shift and consequently you'll be scrutinized by the same pair of eyes without even knowing.

wow excellent point bjbob .......complicated world isn't it? so many things......