Player heat

[Dopple]

No matter where I am playing if the running count gets up above 7 or so I like to split tens perhaps it gives away your game but it does pay good.

Apart from the house heat how do you deal with the idiots that get upset it they dont win and blame you at third base for splitting the cards.

They can get pretty nasty. I usually ignore them because if you explain it does not effect the outcome they are too dumb to listen.

 

[sagefr0g]

No matter where I am playing if the running count gets up above 7 or so I like to split tens perhaps it gives away your game but it does pay good.

Apart from the house heat how do you deal with the idiots that get upset it they dont win and blame you at third base for splitting the cards.

They can get pretty nasty. I usually ignore them because if you explain it does not effect the outcome they are too dumb to listen.

no matter what they say or do just smile and nod your head up and down like an idiot.

 

[ihate17]

running count vs total count

Just making plays by the running count often will not work. You can have a RC of +7 with 5.5 decks left, giving you a TC of slightly more than +1, and no real advantage over the casino. You also did not mention what dealer cards you are splitting 10's against.

Splitting 10's certainly will get other players angry but so will simple basic strategy plays like doubling soft 18 and splitting 9's. Not considering casino heat, you need to either be the guy who apologizes with a statement like, "I never did that before but just had to try it once." Or be a hard ass who knows that it is your money and you will play it anyway you want and if other players do not like it, the casino has other tables. If you are a counter, reducing the number of other players at the table is to your advantage and some of us have been known to pull off plays on purpose (at low bet rates) just to run some people off and get a reputation of being a player other players want to avoid.

ihate17

 

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

I usually split tens once or so early in the shoe while playing the minimum bet

That way the table is accustomed and they'll just think I'm an idiot. And even if i lose on both tens all I'm out is twice the minimum bet.

Later when the T/C grows to +6 or so and i split 'em everyone knows what to expect. Except for now I've got a hundred bucks on each ten.

 

[Dopple]

I meant to say TC instead of RC, my bad.

Thanks for the feedback this group rocks.

 

[Tom007]

Where I play there is no heat, so I just tell them that unless they play perfect BS to keep their mouth shut. This usually either gets them going or shuts them up.

The amount of ploppies that actually know BS perfectly is very low. I have tried to explain that BS is only to lower the house edge against the player using it not the whole table. They think theres some secret order set up in the shoe and if some one deviates from BS light (remember this is all they know) they think you are costing them money.

One reason I can't keep mouth shut when the ploppies start flapping their gums is they are the ones that hit a soft hand like A5 vs 5 or6 And when they do that I call them on it. You just messed up the secret order of cards.

Of course I would never pull this if I didn't know for sure that I wouldn't get any heat. I don't think theres a PB in the joint that Knows anything more than BS light.

 

[SecurityRisk]

Player heat is the worst where I play. And this is for making simple basic strategy plays that are published in every single card or book that exists. Plays such as hitting 12 vs. dealers 2 or 3. Hitting soft 18 vs. 9, 10, or ace. Double soft 18, splitting nines, etc. It drives me crazy. Where do they get their information from?

I used to carry a basic strategy card with me, but I stopped doing that because they wouldn't believe the card anyway. "The casinos wrote the book." Also, they would point out that I violate the card when I make index plays.

So now, I just ignore them.

 

[peaegg]

So now, I just ignore them.

I do the same. I used to give honest advices to players but not any more. After all, casinos have to make the money from someone to pay us.

 

[rollem411]

I know in AC it can get pretty bad at times. Not only for making index plays, but sometimes when I wong in. I just tell them not to worry about it and ignore what they say.

 

[Canceler]

I think that during a high count, if you wong in or spread to two hands, you can justifiably say, "things will be better now." The high count will benefit them, too, after all.

 

[Licentia]

no matter what they say or do just smile and nod your head up and down like an idiot.

That's honestly the best policy. Let them think you are dumb. Yeah, I know it would be nice to shine a bright light in their faces and shout about how much more you know the game than those idiots do, but if you do that you are going to get pit-boss attention. Just be satisfied in the back of your mind that you are the MAN!

Licentia.

 

[sagefr0g]

That's honestly the best policy. Let them think you are dumb. Yeah, I know it would be nice to shine a bright light in their faces and shout about how much more you know the game than those idiots do, but if you do that you are going to get pit-boss attention. Just be satisfied in the back of your mind that you are the MAN!

Licentia.

lol, it works in all walks of life as well.

 

[EasyRhino]

I'm actually starting to have a hard time giving honest advice to another player, even if they ask, because it's usually after I've made a "bonehead" index play. So I end up with the choice of:

1) Telling them the correct BS play, contradicting myself.
2) Telling them what I did, which is wrong.
3) Just shrugging and looking like an idiot.

Option 3 just sort of takes care of itself.

 

[Preston]

At first I actually got a little peeved about players yelling at me...

Then I got used to it...

Now I enjoy it.

If you really want a reaction when they are playing and you get a blackjack wait until you get paid and then cheer on the dealer. "Come on.. 5 card 21!)

I have used ploppies yelling at me and theatening me in the past to nag the pit for more comps. It's worked a couple times but I wouldn't rely on it.

 

[Dopple]

Great post Preston. I love your sense of humor.

 

[zengrifter]

At first I actually got a little peeved about players yelling at me...

Then I got used to it...

Now I enjoy it.

If you really want a reaction when they are playing and you get a blackjack wait until you get paid and then cheer on the dealer. "Come on.. 5 card 21!)

I have used ploppies yelling at me and theatening me in the past to nag the pit for more comps. .

He gets it! zg

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

I'm actually starting to have a hard time giving honest advice to another player, even if they ask, because it's usually after I've made a "bonehead" index play. So I end up with the choice of:

1) Telling them the correct BS play, contradicting myself.
2) Telling them what I did, which is wrong.
3) Just shrugging and looking like an idiot.

Option 3 just sort of takes care of itself.

this is one of the harder things for me since becoming a counter, because i am used to trying to put ploppies in their place AFTER they start insulting me and others at the table and being rude.. i dont make many index plays, but common things like taking insurance and 16 vs 10 are hard to explain.. sometimes i will say im counting, which usually shuts everybody up, but if i ever start to spread or i get a really shitty pb, i could get backed off.. why they would back off a flat bettor i dont know, but i do only play about 40-45% of the hands

If you really want a reaction when they are playing and you get a blackjack wait until you get paid and then cheer on the dealer. "Come on.. 5 card 21!

thats ****ing awsome.. if it was true that the other players could negatively affect you, then wouldnt you bitch also? i dont blame them for that, but how they can believe in it i do blame their dumbasses.. i think ploppies are more dumb for actually playing with others if they believe this than actually the believing in it itself.. ask any ploppie if they think most people they play with are smart, they will say they are ****ing morons who dont know how to play, but yet they sit down knowing there is a good chance people will negatively affect them.. ive said this before, its all bias logic to put blame on others for their gambling problem.. when it comes down to it, most ploppies will go against their own logic if it means they get to blame their loss on somebody else

 

[jimbiggs]

This would actually be really funny if you were acting like you were playing in a tournament and whoever had the most chips on the table would win something at the end of the shift.

At first I actually got a little peeved about players yelling at me...

Then I got used to it...

Now I enjoy it.

If you really want a reaction when they are playing and you get a blackjack wait until you get paid and then cheer on the dealer. "Come on.. 5 card 21!)

I have used ploppies yelling at me and theatening me in the past to nag the pit for more comps. It's worked a couple times but I wouldn't rely on it.

 

[Dopple]

Sometimes although they cant count they know you are leaving when the bad cards are coming and it kind of ticks them off.

I kind of enjoy it. I come back and usually they have been losing on the negative counts. I can time the shuffle fairly well.

 

[EasyRhino]

Had one fun thing on playing a DD game with no mid-shoe entry. Count goes in the toilet, I step away from the table to take a phone call. Remaining players keep playing. I sit back down at table, little cards are flying all over, the players are getting killed. I look sympathetic and say "man, can I rejoin?". The dealer then tells me it's against the rules, and I happily sit out the rest of the craptastic count.