Poker players, please explain this to me.
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Gamblor
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Hey live poker is the only game that pretty much a guarantee that you can win 100% of your sessions... if your playing against a table of fishes. Of course you'll hardly find that in casino poker rooms.
Before the the online and TV poker craze, I would estimate that 30-40% of live players at a casino were bad players, and the rest solid.
Nowadays I would estimate 10% of players are bad, and the rest solid.
Before the the online and TV poker craze, I would estimate that 30-40% of live players at a casino were bad players, and the rest solid.
Nowadays I would estimate 10% of players are bad, and the rest solid.
mjbballar23
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No way. When the poker craze first started, 99% of players were bad. Nowadays it varies greatly on what limits you are playing, where your playing, and what day/time of the day it is . The high stakes live games might have 1 or 2 fish at a table, or somedays there might be 4-6. It all just dependsGamblor said:
Gamblor
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Assume you play in Vegas where you get more tourists and this might be true.
I usually play casinos in the East, so full of locals. I feel fortunate to get 1 or 2 fish at the table.
When I say bad, I mean constantly chasing inside straights, chasing runner runner flush, calling stations, steamer, etc., bad.
Not rocks, calling all in JJ pre-flop with 2+ other all ins (ok this is bordering on really bad), calling 27 suited bad - these people are the equivalent of BJ players who don't hit 12 v 2, soft 18 v 10. Personally I think these are bad players, but not terrible.
Come on, there was never a time 99% of players were bad, maybe 30 years ago
I usually play casinos in the East, so full of locals. I feel fortunate to get 1 or 2 fish at the table.
When I say bad, I mean constantly chasing inside straights, chasing runner runner flush, calling stations, steamer, etc., bad.
Not rocks, calling all in JJ pre-flop with 2+ other all ins (ok this is bordering on really bad), calling 27 suited bad - these people are the equivalent of BJ players who don't hit 12 v 2, soft 18 v 10. Personally I think these are bad players, but not terrible.
Come on, there was never a time 99% of players were bad, maybe 30 years ago
Midwestern
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in general, software like what you are asking about doesn't really exist.21forme said:
bet sizing, raising, and bluffing introduce too many unknown variables to the game of poker for a software like this to accurately tell you how to play a hand.
(as an aside, people DO program "bots" to sit at virtual poker tables and play according to certain patterns. Some of these bots will win money, but a talented poker player can figure out how to take advantage of these bots. This is why you usually see bots at very micro limit tables playing against poor poker players)
some people DO use poker software that tracks the betting patterns of other players. The software will tell the user which players are "weak" vs "strong" bettors, and will give the poker player a better idea of how to play the hand.
alwayssplitaces
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On the contrary, you can find fish in casino poker rooms in the nights and weekends. I met someone who said that he usually plays roulette and I saw him limp on the button (5 callers, no raisers before him) with pocket kings. He lost a lot of his chips to ace-rag when an ace appeared on the turn after betting the flop and getting everyone to call. People come to the casino to gamble, so you'll see people chasing 2 outers they shouldn't.
If you're beating the micro stakes online, your win rate will be higher beating 1/2 NL live. Had Black Friday not happened, it would then be better to deposit your live winnings to your online site and multi-table the low stakes.
If you're beating the micro stakes online, your win rate will be higher beating 1/2 NL live. Had Black Friday not happened, it would then be better to deposit your live winnings to your online site and multi-table the low stakes.
Gamblor
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Try to recall all the times you were bored to tears at a table because every other hand was a chop.moo321 said:
Sure, you'll still find tables today where 5-6 people go in consistently pre-flop. This is an indication of bad players, but not necessarily so. Come on 5-6 consistently going in on the river, hardly ever seen that happen consistently.
Gamblor
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Agreed that you don't see as many rocks nowadays, people tend to play a looser more aggressive style now, especially at NL. Yep played in 03-07 period, often their every weekend at the Taj poker room, playing 4 AM in the morning in limit hold em, where I did sit through plenty of tables with rocks back then, where other every hand was a chopmoo321 said:
But of course going back to my original point, just because 5-6 players go in pre-flop, this are not necessarily bad players, they are usually solid enough where some reasonably bad variance (don't catch your flush draws) means your down for the session.
Not like playing a table of fishes where your pretty much guaranteed a 100% session win rate
1357111317
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Bolded portion does not compute.Gamblor said:Agreed that you don't see as many rocks nowadays, people tend to play a looser more aggressive style now, especially at NL. Yep played in 03-07 period, often their every weekend at the Taj poker room, playing 4 AM in the morning in limit hold em, where I did sit through plenty of tables with rocks back then, where other every hand was a chop
Not like playing a table of fishes where your pretty much guaranteed a 100% session win rate
The thing that amazes me playing online, I will push mildly after the river on a busted nut flush draw. I either have a weak pair or ace high. I get called sometimes by more than 1 person and I WIN the hand. I size my bet to look like an aggressive value bet. If you have diddly you either fold to my raise or reraise. What good is a call when you have nothing.
Gamblor said:in limit holdem, where I did sit through plenty of tables with rocks back then, where other every hand was a chop
It has become rather common in low-blind games, that whenever the big blind gets a "walk" (everyone - including the small blind; folds preflop); rather than collect ALL of the antes, he agrees to give the small blind his money back. They call this a "chop" - not to be confused with a split pot, which has TRADITIONALLY been called a "chop".1357111317 said:
I can tell you from having played in AC for the last 5 or 6 years that if you play on a weekday, you're most likely going to be playing with 7 or 8 other good players at the table and maybe 1 or 2 bad players. When I say good players, I mean someone who when heads up with you and you bet on the flop, will go all in with a flush draw at times. This player knows that more often than not, you will fold your top pair and if you don't they have outs. You may see at some tables 4 or 5 limpers, but chances are, they all hold premium hands (two high cards) or a low pair or maybe suited connectors. Even if that's not the case, they know how to play post flop quite well to make up for the initial -EV of their hands.
Gamblor
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Thunder you must be playing against the same players I doThunder said:
Furthermore, even limping in with a mediocre hand pre flop is not a bad move, depending on bet/raise, position, other players, etc., Poker ain't blackjack.
Heck even the bad players are sometimes hard to crack. Think I'm still ticked over a recent lost all in pot, my AK two pair against a bad player calling big raises pre-flop and flopping a low set. Sometimes hard to get a read on stupid :laugh: