Questions from Kim Lee chat

[kewljason]

During his very informative chat last night, Kim Lee, spoke of using players cards in others name for comp purposes. He specifiaclly mentioned using 'friends cards' or even cards found left in slot machines. It is my experience that you still need to show ID when using your comp card even for food comps. It is that way in EVERY atlantic city casino and many LV casinos. Now admitidly, I usually use the card by presenting the card at payment time, in which case I am asked for ID, and the total deducted from my balance. Is he indicating if you ask for a slip at the table or go to a machine and print out a comp slip in advance that you are not asked for ID?

 

[21forme]

In my experience, they almost always ask for ID. The only place I can recall them not asking is Max's at T.P., though they do in 24 Cafe.

Although I've done it on occasion, I think it's risky to use a card found in a slot machine. Even with a name that's ethnically and age-consistent with you, you never know about the real person and what info shows up on the PC's screen.

I would never try to use a found card for comps. That is theft and you can be prosecuted.

 

[chichow]

I think it also depends on the rush and crowd.

I know of people who have eaten at some Vegas buffets and NOT had ID checked especially if the card was a higher status card

 

[Automatic Monkey]

In my experience, they almost always ask for ID. The only place I can recall them not asking is Max's at T.P., though they do in 24 Cafe.

Although I've done it on occasion, I think it's risky to use a card found in a slot machine. Even with a name that's ethnically and age-consistent with you, you never know about the real person and what info shows up on the PC's screen.

I would never try to use a found card for comps. That is theft and you can be prosecuted.

Good point- a 70-year old Brandon and a 25-year old Archibald (or Elmer, Carl, Oscar, Gaylord) could make someone look twice. It's a far bigger issue for a young guy playing under an old man's name, as they will suspect you are under 21 and you will find yourself explaining your use of this card to a cop.

 

[Mr. T]

I listen in on the chat and this is my observation.
The man is long on observation and short on actual play. Didn't it appear somewhere that he hasn't played much in the last 10 years.
His views on Comps I would take with a grain of salt. Apart from this friend's card thing which is wierd, I don't know if he actually got any Comps with less than 1 hour of play.
The man may be a Guru or Dude depending on how you look at him but I did not like how he dig up all the dirt on KJ to show that his view and only his view is correct. Some people just cannot stand to be contradicted.
CP may worship him but we have plenty of distinguished personalities here like Renzey, QFIT, London Colin, Ken, Sonny and others.

 

[creeping panther]

T

I listen in on the chat and this is my observation.
The man is long on observation and short on actual play. Didn't it appear somewhere that he hasn't played much in the last 10 years.
His views on Comps I would take with a grain of salt. Apart from this friend's card thing which is wierd, I don't know if he actually got any Comps with less than 1 hour of play.
The man may be a Guru or Dude depending on how you look at him but I did not like how he dig up all the dirt on KJ to show that his view and only his view is correct. Some people just cannot stand to be contradicted.
CP may worship him but we have plenty of distinguished personalities here like Renzey, QFIT, London Colin, Ken, Sonny and others.

I worship no man, but I sure know who deserves respect and who does not.

KJ made claims, giving actual figures etc. and that opens up one for questioning.

T,,,do you believe all that you read on the net? Do you not ask questions to ascertain if claimed figures are actual or embellished, for your own learning process and knowledge?

Kim dug up no dirt on KJ, he was very concise and kind in his response to those claims made by KJ. Lee has been playing since the 70's, he is a highly educated man and is no Dude... as you say.

In actuality you, Mr. T, have flamed the Honorable Mr. Lee in this post far worse than he has ever said anything derogatory about KJ.:laugh::laugh:

CP

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Truce?

I worship no man, but I sure know who deserves respect and who does not.

KJ made claims, giving actual figures etc. and that opens up one for questioning.

T,,,do you believe all that you read on the net? Do you not ask questions to ascertain if claimed figures are actual or embellished, for your own learning process and knowledge?...

Just a few facts:

1. Who Kim Lee is, who you are, who KJ is are mostly unverifiable and more importantly, irrelevant to each individual's quest for EV. One of you could be the best player in the world, or a total fraud. It concerns me not.

2. Don't believe everything you read on the net. I lie here all the time about exact figures, stores, dates. A few times I've said I was in one city and really been in another. The sub rosa nature of our work necessitates omissions and embellishments in our public conversations.

3. Lying about specifics is different than misleading other players. Neither KJ nor KL have given any indication of doing that, so why would anyone have a problem?

 

[Deathclutch]

I must have missed the part where KJ was embellished. I thought KimLee said KJ was very consistent and believable.

 

[KimLee]

Kim Lee, spoke of using players cards in others name for comp purposes.

No, I spoke about it for cover. This is separate from comps. But you can get comps in different names, and it is no crime.

 

[FLASH1296]

Casinos are fully aware that it would ill-serve their purposes (that of avoiding bad publicity) by pressing charges against an A.P. for using someone else's player's card.

If caught, the least that will happen is that surveillance will have taken photos of you and security will escort you off the property. That is also the most that will happen. You will be viewed as a common thief and you will be 86'd.

It is seemingly larcenous behavior. If you mislead a person or business enterprise, (by posing as someone other than yourself),
and accepting any comps; which would not be offered to YOU.

Incidentally, demanding photo I.D. for even trivial comp redemption is all but universal.
It was NOT so more than a decade ago, when K.L. last was a regular BJ player.

 

[zengrifter]

During his very informative chat last night, Kim Lee, spoke of using players cards in others name for comp purposes. He specifiaclly mentioned using 'friends cards' or even cards found left in slot machines.

See ZGI page-20

You often use aliases in casinos. What’s your advice for smaller red and green chip
counters who want to use aliases and still get ratings and room comps,
without having to risk carrying phony ID’s?

Simple, actually: Have friends and relatives obtain the player’s cards and give them to you. Then
book the reservation in the player-card name, and add your real name as a second occupant.
Then check in using your real name and ID, and leave a cash deposit in lieu of a credit card. After
check-in, see the host or pit boss, using your player-card moniker, and make sure your comp is
properly credited. By the way, when you check in, don’t forget to specify, “two beds,” if you get my
drift. That is unless your ‘persona’ is ‘flaming.’

 

[creeping panther]

Am

Just a few facts:

1. Who Kim Lee is, who you are, who KJ is are mostly unverifiable and more importantly, irrelevant to each individual's quest for EV. One of you could be the best player in the world, or a total fraud. It concerns me not.

2. Don't believe everything you read on the net. I lie here all the time about exact figures, stores, dates. A few times I've said I was in one city and really been in another. The sub rosa nature of our work necessitates omissions and embellishments in our public conversations.

3. Lying about specifics is different than misleading other players. Neither KJ nor KL have given any indication of doing that, so why would anyone have a problem?

AM,

As to #1,,,I know who Kim Lee is, I know who you are, you know who I am, I think that aspect means alot as to credibility.

CP

 

[Finn Dog]

Simple, actually: Have friends and relatives obtain the player’s cards and give them to you. Then
book the reservation in the player-card name, and add your real name as a second occupant.

Unless I'm missing something, it's doable, but not imposition-free to the friend--as this would require asking for all of your friend's credit card info: card #, exp date, CID number; or if he/she--or his/her spouse isn't comfortable with this--it would require your friend to book all your trips. Just thinking out loud here.

Regards,

FD

 

[KimLee]

The man is long on observation and short on actual play. ...
I don't know if he actually got any Comps ...

You are ungrateful. I put myself at your disposal last night in a situation where you could anonymously ask questions about subjects that may be too sensitive for an archived public discussion. If you were too cowardly to ask questions, then you have no right to complain that you "don't know" sufficient details about my play.

In my experience ...

Your experience appears limited to AC.

a decade ago, when K.L. last was a regular BJ player.

This is false. I quoted your contradictory posts on BJ21 about being a lifetime loser and a pro specifically because you make dangerously incorrect and unfounded statements like this.

 

[kewljason]

No, I spoke about it for cover. This is separate from comps. But you can get comps in different names, and it is no crime.

Ok, well then I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying you could use other cards to get comps. Some players say you used to be able to do so years ago. I have only been playing since march 2004, so I don't know about that. All I know is that the majority of places today, you have to show ID with your comp card to get even a sandwich and coke, so if you have a comp card in a different name, you will need ID in that name to get a comp.

In addition, I wish people would stop references such as KJ vs KL or KJ vs CP. I am not at war with anyone. I do my thing and thats all I really care about. People who don't know me can beleive whatever they like. I guess the mistake I made was attempting to share my experiences with other or perhaps sharing too much.

As for Kim Lee, as he stated, he and I corresponded some before the Chat. I shared some private details with him about my game and life and he offered his opinion both in private as well as during that chat, that he thought I was credible and that he thought I was working way too hard for the reward that I was achieving. (that was the masocist comment for those who missed it. :laugh: ) I appreciate his advice and opinion, as I do many others on both this and other forums.

 

[Mr. T]

You are ungrateful. I put myself at your disposal last night in a situation where you could anonymously ask questions about subjects that may be too sensitive for an archived public discussion. If you were too cowardly to ask questions, then you have no right to complain that you "don't know" sufficient details about my play.

You and I have differences of opinion and maybe very different personalities.
But when you said If you were too cowardly to ask questions, you have cross the line of civilised behavior. Shame on you.

You are ungrateful Should I be grateful to you. I was only an observer. If you are asking for compliments you should try somebody else.

 

[21forme]

Your experience appears limited to AC.

Not quite correct. I have a lot more experience with AC, but I do play to LV every few months (and will be there next week).

 

[FLASH1296]

Kim Lee, character assassin extraordinaire struts his stuff.

Kim Lee, character assassin extraordinaire, continues to quote out of context.

Here is what he said, quoted verbatim, in context, from the chat:

"I quit for over 10 years and am ready to quit anytime."
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Additionally, in his post above, the rabid pit bull attacks continue:
"I quoted your contradictory posts on BJ21 about being a lifetime loser and a pro"

I showed the courage to state the truth, sans details, that after decades of having been a "gambler",
my losses were extreme and not overcome, playing as a full-time Professional Player.

 

[creeping panther]

True

Kim Lee, character assassin extraordinaire, continues to quote out of context.

Here is what he said, quoted verbatim, in context, from the chat:

"I quit for over 10 years and am ready to quit anytime."

It is a good thing to be able to quit anytime! Ortherwise you are addicted. And during that ten years he was making a fortune doing other extremely high EV activities.

He is no assassin, shame on you.

What he did is pick up on a big inconsistence in your postings and called you on it. What is wrong in that? Actually, I also picked up on those posts of yours and was very surprised and confused.

But that is past, I doubt you want to rehash it.

Have a great holiday weekend and remember all our Brave Veterans.
(Including those veterans of the Native American Nations, and their Warriors who fought to keep them free,,and then us).

CP

 

[FLASH1296]

The assassin looks for opportunities to use the oldest trick of politicians
and lawyers to "smear" their opponents by quoting out-of-context.

He has been called on these tactics before.

I know who he claims to be in real-life, and for all that I know he is that impressive intellectual, but to me,
his veracity is almost as questionable as the depth of his morality, for unprovoked personal attacks.

Education and intellect have but a fair correlation with emotional stability.