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The Mayor

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I have posted two of the LVHC's recent submissions below. Because this board is moderated, they are not able to freely post, yet I feel what they are saying needs to be addressed. I am not happy posting these things, but my committment to Freedom of Speech demands it.

These posts stretch the policies of this board to the limit, however they are articulate and ask some good questions. Other boards simply ban all posts from this group.

By way of introduction. The LVHCM represents a group of advantage players who target table games of all sorts. They do not use card counting, they use other legal methods that generate advantages many times the level of counting. Clearly, I am not at liberty to discuss these methods. If you want a glimpse into this world, read the court documents of the Grosjean/Russo case on this site. This elite group is at the very top end of earnings for what is possible playing these games. I know one of them personally, and I know the others by name.

I would like your thoughts on these posts, and what my policy should be towards this group of individuals in their efforts to be heard.

Thanks,

--Mayor
 
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learning to count

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Hey I back the web site 100%. Read my post below. This threatoning thing is sad. I think they LVCHM should stop and help begginers such as my self. Or maybe they should get thier own website I would check it out for the info they give. It would not hurt. LTC
 
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Rob McGarvey

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"I have posted two of the LVHC's recent submissions below. Because this board is moderated, they are not able to freely post, yet I feel what they are saying needs to be addressed. I am not happy posting these things, but my commitment to Freedom of Speech demands it."

Freedom of speech can get you killed in any country. What in particular do you want addressed? You are out in the open, so leave the surveillance peoples addresses up and allow LVHCM to set you apart from the rest of the BJ boards. If they want to shut you down there is nothing you can do about that but see if they can or not. Their guerilla tactics on other boards and not setting up their own simply means they do not want to hold any ground, just pass as they please and leave a nice wake behind. I've had run ins over passing on info re online sites with people that wish you still got the 100% bonus for playing your depo and bonus threw once. My site got trashed because of this. Everyone in North America and beyond knows about the LVA 3:1 BJ coupons because Grifter has spread the word far and wide. And doing all of this online talking? I have learned a lot from it, as I am sure many more people are right now. When do you close this circle? Does anyone have the power to tell you to close it, or do you just know when to quit?

"Other boards simply ban all posts from this group."

Reminds me of running numbers for the Mob in NY. That was against the law, but now it's okay to play Pick Three under the gov't authority. They are in business to sell books and memberships. These guys are beyond the scope of publishing rights and all the james bond spy vs spy baloney.

"By way of introduction. The LVHCM represents a group of advantage players who target table games of all sorts. They do not use card counting, they use other legal methods that generate advantages many times the level of counting. Clearly, I am not at liberty to discuss these methods."

Why not?

"If you want a glimpse into this world, read the court documents of the Grosjean/Russo case on this site. This elite group is at the very top end of earnings for what is possible playing these games. I know one of them personally, and I know the others by name."

This is part of the problem. You are asking people that are way outside the circle on how to deal with "da boys" inside your circle. Right now you're responding to Rocco, when it is Luigi that don't do any talkin' that you should worry about. I know why they threatened someone's life (not yours). They are lucky they heard the rattler's tale first. If I was the person I used to be the guy would have been history long ago. It would look like an accident. You don't have to like them, but you should definitely respect them and how they manifest themselves.

I would like your thoughts on these posts, and what my policy should be towards this group of individuals in their efforts to be heard.

Your board, your call. I think this guy has made his point and is not interested in wasting any more of his more than precious time here. If he wants to post just apply your guidlines like you do to everyone else, or set up a LVHC Mafioso Board.

Ariva derchi
 
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learning to count

Well-Known Member
"I am not happy posting these things, but my commitment to Freedom of Speech demands it."

*When does the issue of freedom of speech come into play here. This is a privately owned site which allows people to discuss blackjack according to the rules implemented by the owner. The owner has to be cautious of civil legal issues and also criminal federal issues on threats, invasion of privacy etc.etc. This is not a milk crate on some street corner.*

Freedom of speech can get you killed in any country. What in particular do you want addressed? You are out in the open, so leave the surveillance peoples addresses up and allow LVHCM to set you apart from the rest of the BJ boards. If they want to shut you down there is nothing you can do about that but see if they can or not. Their guerilla tactics on other boards and not setting up their own simply means they do not want to hold any ground, just pass as they please and leave a nice wake behind. I've had run ins over passing on info re online sites with people that wish you still got the 100% bonus for playing your depo and bonus threw once. My site got trashed because of this. Everyone in North America and beyond knows about the LVA 3:1 BJ coupons because Grifter has spread the word far and wide. And doing all of this online talking? I have learned a lot from it, as I am sure many more people are right now. When do you close this circle? Does anyone have the power to tell you to close it, or do you just know when to quit?

*Some information that has been posted has to do with private info on people on both sides of the table and was intended to cause problems that could progress to civil litigation issues. ...And why should the Mayor be responsible for being sued because someone with a gripe can't publish them himself*

"Other boards simply ban all posts from this group."

Reminds me of running numbers for the Mob in NY. That was against the law, but now it's okay to play Pick Three under the gov't authority. They are in business to sell books and memberships. These guys are beyond the scope of publishing rights and all the james bond spy vs spy baloney.

This is part of the problem. You are asking people that are way outside the circle on how to deal with "da boys" inside your circle. Right now you're responding to Rocco, when it is Luigi that don't do any talkin' that you should worry about. I know why they threatened someone's life (not yours). They are lucky they heard the rattler's tale first. If I was the person I used to be the guy would have been history long ago. It would look like an accident. You don't have to like them, but you should definitely respect them and how they manifest themselves.

*Thats just the problem everyone seems to be a tough guy and if you dont agree we have to play the La Costra Nostra game when all we wanted to do was play blackjack. This is a simple site for begginers and other neophytes of the game with good intentions. No one here wants to get involved in the politics of survival let move on*

I would like your thoughts on these posts, and what my policy should be towards this group of individuals in their efforts to be heard.

Your board, your call. I think this guy has made his point and is not interested in wasting any more of his more than precious time here. If he wants to post just apply your guidlines like you do to everyone else, or set up a LVHC Mafioso Board.

Ariva derchi

*I agree whole heartedly the Mayor's board the Mayors call. Point well made and lets move on.*
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

Banned
Addressing The LVHC presence @ CC.com

Addressing The LVHC presence @ CC.com

Apparently, the LVHC Hitman is NOT LVHCM (aka 'El Burro') who, posing as OCKO, assailed me with spurious attacks here (and elsewhere, I am told). The reason for his attacks upon me is unknown as I have never had any dealings with him/ - El Burro's behavior at this site was unwarranted and unconscionable and should earn him a lifetime-ban from this site... or at least warrant his apology, which I suspect will not be forthcoming.

Regarding frontload-play at BJ as well as various 'poker-themed' table games (ie, 3-Card Poker, Carib.Stud, Let.Ride, etc.), I am happy to share the abbreviated strategies that will allow any reader of CC.com to experiment freely, though I do not claim these stratagems to be a part of my regular modis-operandi.

Simply stated - BJ 'flashers' are few and far between, BUT if you know what to look for and are disciplined to always be looking you WILL find one on occasion (good for 2-6% EXTRA gain) - poker-themed frontloaders are more common, and a simplified strategy for exploiting those dealers/games will yield a 3% (approx) edge.

Discussions of the above game approaches should be initiated by separate thread.

zg
 
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LVHC Hitman

Member
Re: Addressing The LVHC presence @ CC.com

>Apparently, the LVHC Hitman is NOT LVHCM (aka 'El Burro') who, posing as OCKO, assailed me with spurious attacks here (and elsewhere, I am told).

You're right about one thing, I'm not El Burro. However, LVHCM isn't either, last I checked, unless there has been more identity impersonation going on here. Most of us in the LVHCM have no other easily recognizable or well-known handles.
 
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Calib Vincent

Member
Excuse my ignorance but who are LVHCM and what are these mysterious tactics of theirs? Do they just try to get a sneak peak at the hole card? "That old trick never works."

Whoever they are or whatever they stand for, I think you're within your rights to apply the same standards to their posts as to everyone else's. Could you not just delete the stuff that violates your guidelines (or cut and paste the relevant and interesting stuff, whatever takes less editing work) rather than bust the whole post?

Just a thought.

cjv
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

Banned
Do they just try to get a sneak peak at the hole card? "That old trick never works."
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Actually the consistency varies by dealer, BUT if you found a really good one the advantage over the house would range from 5-7% flat-betting BJ (assuming correct holecard BS w/no hitting 17+), so its good to be always 'looking' for a flashing dealer - more common nowadays are the flashing poker-theme dealers (3-card Poker, etc.) where a simple strategy can yield a 3% advantage (see Stanley Ko, JGrossjean). zg
 
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Calib Vincent

Member
So, there's someone spotting on the other side of the pit and he signals to the player at the table the value of the hole card? Dangerous if found out. Maybe you could use a rotating spotter who signals to an intermediate who signals the player? Many variations on the theme no doubt.

Is this legal, by the way? And why is it apparently such a touchy subject on this board?

And what about casinos that now use mirrors so the dealer need not lift the hole card?

cjv
 
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