creeping panther
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If you are non-Native,,,there is no law:laugh::laugh::laugh:
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Res. Gambling law.
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blackchipjim
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No kidding
I have told numerous fellow players that you should think twice about doing anything in casinos on reservations. I remind them that the counsel meets on tuesdays and this is saturday so you will be sitting for three days before they may or may not have hearing. What they say goes and that's the law. Alot of people don't understand soveriegnty of a nation and the ramifications it entails.
I have told numerous fellow players that you should think twice about doing anything in casinos on reservations. I remind them that the counsel meets on tuesdays and this is saturday so you will be sitting for three days before they may or may not have hearing. What they say goes and that's the law. Alot of people don't understand soveriegnty of a nation and the ramifications it entails.
I think I heard somewhere that the reservation is subject to certain federal laws. For example I doubt you could kidnap someone,take them to the reservation and not sweat law enforcement. Anyone know more about this? My guess is it would be illegal for them to hold you against your will as it would be off the res. Anyone have the answer? :joker:
FLASH1296
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There is No enforceable American Law on "sovereign" land any more than there is on any other "sovereign" land e.g. Mexico or Canada.
Once you are physically on a reservation you are subject to their laws alone.
On New York's Saint Regis Reservation, home to a playable game at the Akwesasne Mohawk Casino — [spanning the Canadian / U.S. border]
— smuggling illegal aliens and drugs across the border is absurdly easy as there are NO Customs Agents to deal with.
In the mid 1980's there were long-standing "illegal" casino dealing BJ on "the rez;". The State Police were ill advised to put an end to that.
They were met with roadblocks and hails of gunfire. The State Police were ordered by the Attorney General that they had absolutely NO right to so much as be there without invitation.
There have been incidents of Native American casinos being caught "red-handed" cheating (mostly in California) and no action could be taken.
A card-counting acquaintance of mine was hospitalized in intensive care
after suffering massive injuries from a beating he received at Foxwoods.
He had no recourse. Ironically, his brother is a member of the Connecticut bar.
The Florida State Supreme Court ruled unanimously that the Governor lacked the right to ink a pact with the Seminole Indians.
Care to tell that to the Seminoles ?
EDITED — to delete a poorly expressed statement the paying of taxes.
Once you are physically on a reservation you are subject to their laws alone.
On New York's Saint Regis Reservation, home to a playable game at the Akwesasne Mohawk Casino — [spanning the Canadian / U.S. border]
— smuggling illegal aliens and drugs across the border is absurdly easy as there are NO Customs Agents to deal with.
In the mid 1980's there were long-standing "illegal" casino dealing BJ on "the rez;". The State Police were ill advised to put an end to that.
They were met with roadblocks and hails of gunfire. The State Police were ordered by the Attorney General that they had absolutely NO right to so much as be there without invitation.
There have been incidents of Native American casinos being caught "red-handed" cheating (mostly in California) and no action could be taken.
A card-counting acquaintance of mine was hospitalized in intensive care
after suffering massive injuries from a beating he received at Foxwoods.
He had no recourse. Ironically, his brother is a member of the Connecticut bar.
The Florida State Supreme Court ruled unanimously that the Governor lacked the right to ink a pact with the Seminole Indians.
Care to tell that to the Seminoles ?
EDITED — to delete a poorly expressed statement the paying of taxes.
FLASH1296
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apology
What I should have said, but didn't:
Native Americans don't pay state taxes on money they earn (or which is distributed to them by the tribe) if they live AND work within the tribal area.
Of course, the "Facts on the Ground" are more revealing.
I would state, in the form of a question …
"What is the likelihood of a Native American (especially if residing on a reservation)) being audited for failure to file income tax forms ?"
I say the answer is NIL.
What I should have said, but didn't:
Native Americans don't pay state taxes on money they earn (or which is distributed to them by the tribe) if they live AND work within the tribal area.
Of course, the "Facts on the Ground" are more revealing.
I would state, in the form of a question …
"What is the likelihood of a Native American (especially if residing on a reservation)) being audited for failure to file income tax forms ?"
I say the answer is NIL.
Flash- I'm curios if Foxwoods really needs to deliver anyone a beating? Are they not the world's largest/highest grossing casino? The Connecticut State police have an office on the property.
I have had a few run ins with management over a ten year period and even with a trespass warning/banning, they were gentle, professional but they still blow.
I have had a few run ins with management over a ten year period and even with a trespass warning/banning, they were gentle, professional but they still blow.
FLASH1296
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"I'm curios if Foxwoods really needs to deliver anyone a beating? Are they not the world's largest/highest grossing casino?"
They do not NEED to do anything; but they SHOULD rein in their security goons.
It is not like violence is their policy.
All casinos recognize that they are a business dependent on public good will in order to thrive.
I have been trespassed at Foxwoods, and yes they use the State Police to aid and abet them in their harassment;
BUT our nation's Indian Reservations may avail themselves of services the state offers, Police included — via invitation.
It is locally well known that the media in Connecticut, including the Norwich
newspaper, is kept "out-of-the-loop" when it comes to suicides, violence, etc. at Foxwoods.
Note: since the mid 1980's, and at least until last year,
(but probably still there), on the public roads leading into / through
the Saint Regis Reservation are large signs that warn Federal and State
agents / police that they are not welcome there.
They do not NEED to do anything; but they SHOULD rein in their security goons.
It is not like violence is their policy.
All casinos recognize that they are a business dependent on public good will in order to thrive.
I have been trespassed at Foxwoods, and yes they use the State Police to aid and abet them in their harassment;
BUT our nation's Indian Reservations may avail themselves of services the state offers, Police included — via invitation.
It is locally well known that the media in Connecticut, including the Norwich
newspaper, is kept "out-of-the-loop" when it comes to suicides, violence, etc. at Foxwoods.
Note: since the mid 1980's, and at least until last year,
(but probably still there), on the public roads leading into / through
the Saint Regis Reservation are large signs that warn Federal and State
agents / police that they are not welcome there.
FLASH1296
Well-Known Member
"I'm fairly sure the IRS does not break down audits by racial or ethnic groupings.
How would the IRS and/or its computer know a filer was a Native American when it pulls the return for auditing?"
Re: I.R.S.
Ethnicity is included on our census forms.
The zip codes of post offices serving reservations is public knowledge.
Nothing prevents a tax-payer OR a tax-evader from letting the I.R.S. know that they consider themselves exempt from income tax statutes.
As the vast majority of Native Americans have modest incomes, OR are below the poverty line, the unofficial position (within the I.R.S.) is that they have "bigger fish to fry."
"Facts on the Ground":
In much of the U S A marijuana laws are infrequently or at least unevenly enforced. In N.Y.S. possession of less than an ounce of marijuana is a $50 "violation" on the rare instances that someone is ticketed. Yes, ticketed. They cannot be arrested for possession of small amounts, as a violation is neither a misdemeanor nor a felony; just like jaywalking or littering. There is not even a permanent record kept.
How would the IRS and/or its computer know a filer was a Native American when it pulls the return for auditing?"
Re: I.R.S.
Ethnicity is included on our census forms.
The zip codes of post offices serving reservations is public knowledge.
Nothing prevents a tax-payer OR a tax-evader from letting the I.R.S. know that they consider themselves exempt from income tax statutes.
As the vast majority of Native Americans have modest incomes, OR are below the poverty line, the unofficial position (within the I.R.S.) is that they have "bigger fish to fry."
"Facts on the Ground":
In much of the U S A marijuana laws are infrequently or at least unevenly enforced. In N.Y.S. possession of less than an ounce of marijuana is a $50 "violation" on the rare instances that someone is ticketed. Yes, ticketed. They cannot be arrested for possession of small amounts, as a violation is neither a misdemeanor nor a felony; just like jaywalking or littering. There is not even a permanent record kept.
beating vegas
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so then in theory if your buddie walks into foxwoods and beats the hell out of who hit him and he manages to get away off the resavation what would happen ? can a resavation make a claim to the state ?FLASH1296 said:
beating vegas
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the state inspects the casinosFLASH1296 said:
FLASH1296
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"so then in theory if your buddie walks into foxwoods and beats the hell out of who hit him and he manages to get away off the resavation what would happen ? can a resavation make a claim to the state ?"
The tribal police would call the State Police or Sheriff and he'd be arrested and charged with assault.
The tribal council always retains the rights to use the State's civil / criminal law to their advantage.
e.g. You cannot bring suit against a tribe for a business deal gone sour, but they can sue you.
A huge problem that has emerged in the last two years or so, is some tribes threatening to default on their debts,
when their debt-holders have NO resource beyond convincing the tribe to extend their debt.
The tribal police would call the State Police or Sheriff and he'd be arrested and charged with assault.
The tribal council always retains the rights to use the State's civil / criminal law to their advantage.
e.g. You cannot bring suit against a tribe for a business deal gone sour, but they can sue you.
A huge problem that has emerged in the last two years or so, is some tribes threatening to default on their debts,
when their debt-holders have NO resource beyond convincing the tribe to extend their debt.
FLASH1296
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I have not kept notes on the incidents to refer to, but memorable was the discovery by a Southern California attorney
that he had no means of suing to recover a VERY large sum of money lost at a Native American casino after it was
discovered that the staff had marked the cards, and the Tribe openly admitted it !
creeping panther
Banned
Inspection
In MI. most if not all do their own inspections or hire it out, if at all.
So in some casino restaurants you have to be somewhat concerned of the food conditions, although most do a fine job.
But it is true if you get beat up by Res. security you are pretty much out of luck unless you go to Federal Court, and even that is iffy. So just behave when on the Res. Simple.:grin:
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Unless there is a side agreement the health laws and fire laws do not apply to the Res. Casinos.FLASH1296 said:beating_vegas …
What do you mean ?
Health Inspectors inspect the kitchens and the Fire Marshall inspects …
What are you trying to say?
"the state inspects the casinos"
In MI. most if not all do their own inspections or hire it out, if at all.
So in some casino restaurants you have to be somewhat concerned of the food conditions, although most do a fine job.
But it is true if you get beat up by Res. security you are pretty much out of luck unless you go to Federal Court, and even that is iffy. So just behave when on the Res. Simple.:grin:
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steve waugh
Member
Not to mention
Not to mention questionable ways of dealing pitch games. Whether they were cheating in that instance, I would never know but it pays to be "extra careful" at all the Native Indian Casinos.
When a lot of negative variance is concentrated in Native Indian casinos, it could be
a) Just Negative Variance
b) There is more to it than meets the eye
Casinos in California have some really strange dealers(how about dealing with arms outstretched as they deal with no bend in their elbow)-You can call it "plain quirky" but if you consistently lose 75% of the Double Downs on max bets, you have to ask the question.
Additionally, there have been dealer changes specifially at tables where the big better was playing within minutes after moving to the table.
Regards
Waugh
Not to mention questionable ways of dealing pitch games. Whether they were cheating in that instance, I would never know but it pays to be "extra careful" at all the Native Indian Casinos.
When a lot of negative variance is concentrated in Native Indian casinos, it could be
a) Just Negative Variance
b) There is more to it than meets the eye
Casinos in California have some really strange dealers(how about dealing with arms outstretched as they deal with no bend in their elbow)-You can call it "plain quirky" but if you consistently lose 75% of the Double Downs on max bets, you have to ask the question.
Additionally, there have been dealer changes specifially at tables where the big better was playing within minutes after moving to the table.
Regards
Waugh
creeping panther
Banned
Steve
So you are up $100,000 from 2 years play under the tutelage of your Mentor,,,sounds like you have not been cheated much..
If you are playing Pitch games and you have checked the cards when they are fanned out, and they are all there, it is very simple to tell if you are dealing with a Mechanic,,,I am sure you know this from many past posting on this through the years.
There is a big difference between getting your ass whipped and a casino outright cheating.
As to changing dealers, big deal, casinos are superstitious too:laugh:
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Steve,steve waugh said:
So you are up $100,000 from 2 years play under the tutelage of your Mentor,,,sounds like you have not been cheated much..
If you are playing Pitch games and you have checked the cards when they are fanned out, and they are all there, it is very simple to tell if you are dealing with a Mechanic,,,I am sure you know this from many past posting on this through the years.
There is a big difference between getting your ass whipped and a casino outright cheating.
As to changing dealers, big deal, casinos are superstitious too:laugh:
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