Return of CIPHER!
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zengrifter
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Got it, worked! Okay, I posted in the General Chat Forum as follows -CIPHER said:
zengrifter
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CIPHER Discussed at BJINFO
http://www.cipherblackjack.com/showthread.php?t=244 (Archive copy)
The Cipher System has been hotly debated at Blackjackinfo.com. Discussions may be viewed here -
System Promoter of the Week
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=2042
Return of CIPHER!
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=4413
Junior Member/Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1
CIPHER Discussed at BJINFO
http://www.cipherblackjack.com/showthread.php?t=244 (Archive copy)
The Cipher System has been hotly debated at Blackjackinfo.com. Discussions may be viewed here -
System Promoter of the Week
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=2042
Return of CIPHER!
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=4413
Firstly to stastically mean anything we need to get the number of sessions up considerably. We need to have at least 1,000 $500 bets. Your current sessions show only 58. +10 units after 58 is meaning less (>30% chance of pure luck). +200 units after 1,000 bets would be like 0.01% luck.
There are only two ways this can be done:
1. You tell us exactally how you decide how much to bet each hand and when you deviate from playing BS and why, so we can program it into a computer that can play for you so you don't have to play so many hands. But this would require revealing your system and how the cipher software works, so you probably dont want to do this.
2. You play our online casino blackjack game. It will record your sessions. At the moment we don't know if you are simply not posting on your website any loosing sessions. If you play ours we will know for sure. We will post the code on here so you can know that it isnt rigged. But you would need to play the system correctly and at the point once you have made 1,000 $500 bets we would then know if you are actually making money.
Either way i can't do it this weekend because I have to go away for a wedding. I am not trying to shoot your system down (who doesn't want a system where you don't have to card count?). What I am saying is that the results you posted don't actually show anything yet.
There are only two ways this can be done:
1. You tell us exactally how you decide how much to bet each hand and when you deviate from playing BS and why, so we can program it into a computer that can play for you so you don't have to play so many hands. But this would require revealing your system and how the cipher software works, so you probably dont want to do this.
2. You play our online casino blackjack game. It will record your sessions. At the moment we don't know if you are simply not posting on your website any loosing sessions. If you play ours we will know for sure. We will post the code on here so you can know that it isnt rigged. But you would need to play the system correctly and at the point once you have made 1,000 $500 bets we would then know if you are actually making money.
Either way i can't do it this weekend because I have to go away for a wedding. I am not trying to shoot your system down (who doesn't want a system where you don't have to card count?). What I am saying is that the results you posted don't actually show anything yet.
Dacium:
We're from two different schools of Math. Yours is statistically motivated which is may be OK for you, were I'm bottom line motivated. In short, I'm not concerned with the amount of wagers or the size of the wagers as long as I'm turning a decent profit per session and decent to me is the mid $500.00 range per session.
I don't need to break the bank because it wouldn't be there on the next go around if I did break the bank. All I need to do is to make systematic withrawals.
Cipher
We're from two different schools of Math. Yours is statistically motivated which is may be OK for you, were I'm bottom line motivated. In short, I'm not concerned with the amount of wagers or the size of the wagers as long as I'm turning a decent profit per session and decent to me is the mid $500.00 range per session.
I don't need to break the bank because it wouldn't be there on the next go around if I did break the bank. All I need to do is to make systematic withrawals.
Cipher
zengrifter
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Thats a good one! zgCIPHER said:
zengrifter
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Here's what CIPHER replied to my post at his forum to his "followers" - he says that we "changed/modified" our posts, presumeably to make him look bad or something. zgzengrifter said:
Re: CIPHER Discussed at BJINFO
http://www.cipherblackjack.com/showthread.php?t=244 (Archive copy)
cipher
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It seems as though the ZEN GRIFTER and his ZENGRIFTER wannabes enjoy playing forum games and the like in such ways as modifying posts or having one of his ZEN GRIFTER WANNA BES change posts and such. I could BAN the ZENGRIFTER but the entertainment value of watching him self destruct far out weighed the value of a banning.
Have a good one.
Cipher
http://www.cipherblackjack.com/showthread.php?t=244 (Archive copy)
cipher
Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: California
Posts: 159
It seems as though the ZEN GRIFTER and his ZENGRIFTER wannabes enjoy playing forum games and the like in such ways as modifying posts or having one of his ZEN GRIFTER WANNA BES change posts and such. I could BAN the ZENGRIFTER but the entertainment value of watching him self destruct far out weighed the value of a banning.
Have a good one.
Cipher
halcyon1234
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Posted by Cipher in response to ZEN'S post at (Dead link: http://www.thegamblingedge.com) today.zengrifter said:
That's precisely why I left your post up ZEN. In addition, I'll even add some links a little later on today like THE FORBES MAGAZINE article (highly complimentary) THE DEBATE BOTH SIDES posts and a couple others as well.
For any of you who don't feel like taking the time to read all the articles. I've attached ZEN'S aka MARCUS K. DALTON'S very own post on Blackjackinfo.com that will give you a real good idea about the ZENGRIFTER. I particularly like the part where ZEN hastens to add there was no restitution on $270,000,000.00 dollars. Yep, that's in excess of one quater of a Billion dollars and to top it off he still couldn't make a go of it, so then he turned RAT on all his friends and associates so that he wouldn't hav't to spend the rest of his life in the joint.
By the way did I mention he's over at http://www.blackjackinfo.com
Yep, according to those fine folks it's the most popular Blackjack site on the Internet. They don't know a whole lot about playing Blackjack on the Internet, but they sure are Popular.
Have a good one.
Cipher
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Regardless of zg's past, he has been an invaluable asset to these forums. I am glad that he found his way to this forum.CIPHER said:
And you don't have to post links to the articles about him, he already did that himself. He even put up the ones that were attacking him...
zengrifter
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"I am Spartacus! zgBrutus said:
Cipher,
Basically what you are doing with your software is flipping a coin. Its that simple. If you do not know what algorithm they used when building their software, you will not know how to bet or what the cards will be. As far as people on this forum not knowing how to play Online blackjack, you are wrong. The people here who do play online play for bonuses. What you have is what we call vapor ware. It looks nice it has a bunch of colors graphics and such but, it does not work.
One other thing I would like to mention. Although what ZG was accused of is debatable, but the fact is, he beat a system.
Basically what you are doing with your software is flipping a coin. Its that simple. If you do not know what algorithm they used when building their software, you will not know how to bet or what the cards will be. As far as people on this forum not knowing how to play Online blackjack, you are wrong. The people here who do play online play for bonuses. What you have is what we call vapor ware. It looks nice it has a bunch of colors graphics and such but, it does not work.
One other thing I would like to mention. Although what ZG was accused of is debatable, but the fact is, he beat a system.
zengrifter
Banned
He's now deleting my posts, showing less respect then we've shown him as we've not deleted any of his posts irrespective of how obnoxious he's been. zgdacium said: