Risky, but it works..
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Sonny
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You're absolutely right! How could I be so stupid?! I'm going to try this system on the BS trainer for a few hours and find out if it is legit. Oh wait, computer generated hands aren't the same are real hands. I'll bring my wife's car payment to the casino this weekend and report back. :laugh:shadroch said:
-Sonny-
sagefr0g
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a stop win action, yah, no advantage per se in the long run for some strictly followed plan of action that say mimics some simulation that either affords an advantage or not. qfit's showed that : http://www.blackjackincolor.com/useless1.htm ... errhh well i think he alludes to the point that it can be relatively harmless if one doesn't quit advantageous situations.gamblingghost said:
but you allude to efficiency in this post http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=205804&postcount=32 as well as luck in the post above.
point being, errhh well just me maybe, but in some ways card counting just plain kind of sucks. it's slow as hell in most venues, variance is a bitch and the fruits of the labor really does depend upon the long run. some 'long runs' are shorter than others, depending on the game, i'll give yah that, but again, just me maybe, in general i think card counting kind of sucks. by that i mean, it can be one heck of a grind, one heck of a lot of work for a relative pittance, sort of thing. that said, heck, i might do it for the short term for a probable real advantage in the hopes for some short term luck, for a reason.
heck, i dunno, maybe even do it long term, for a probable real advantage for a reason. but again, card counting just isn't a very efficient money generator, imho.
whatever lol, i think anyone who hangs out in casino's long enough is gonna run into some fairly savvy advantage players who may be relatively short stacked and dependent upon their action today for their financial responsibilities today, sorta thing. at least in that sense, a bit of luck and a bit of street smart fancy footed reasoned action might be justifiable, no?
whatever, luck, should we be so lucky as to experience a 'significant' share of it early on in some AP venture, well just me maybe, i believe it can lend a short term edge, should one be savvy enough to wrangle their way into taking advantage of it.
i dunno, i guess what i'm trying to say, is theory is great, but how one uses it, ie. some sort of thinking process and strategy might to help matters some.
gamblingghost
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sagefr0g said:Very interesting! In technical cave diving we say, 'plan your dive and dive your plan'. Certain parts of the dive are much more 'riskier' than other parts and they are 'planned' in and we are well 'aware' of them during the dive. The riskier parts are often the most exciting part of the dive.a stop win action, yah, no advantage per se in the long run for some strictly followed plan of action that say mimics some simulation that either affords an advantage or not. qfit's showed that : http://www.blackjackincolor.com/useless1.htm ... errhh well i think he alludes to the point that it can be relatively harmless if one doesn't quit advantageous situations.
but you allude to efficiency in this post http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=205804&postcount=32 as well as luck in the post above.
point being, errhh well just me maybe, but in some ways card counting just plain kind of sucks. it's slow as hell in most venues, variance is a bitch and the fruits of the labor really does depend upon the long run. some 'long runs' are shorter than others, depending on the game, i'll give yah that, but again, just me maybe, in general i think card counting kind of sucks. by that i mean, it can be one heck of a grind, one heck of a lot of work for a relative pittance, sort of thing. that said, heck, i might do it for the short term for a probable real advantage in the hopes for some short term luck, for a reason.
heck, i dunno, maybe even do it long term, for a probable real advantage for a reason. but again, card counting just isn't a very efficient money generator, imho.
whatever lol, i think anyone who hangs out in casino's long enough is gonna run into some fairly savvy advantage players who may be relatively short stacked and dependent upon their action today for their financial responsibilities today, sorta thing. at least in that sense, a bit of luck and a bit of street smart fancy footed reasoned action might be justifiable, no?
whatever, luck, should we be so lucky as to experience a 'significant' share of it early on in some AP venture, well just me maybe, i believe it can lend a short term edge, should one be savvy enough to wrangle their way into taking advantage of it.
i dunno, i guess what i'm trying to say, is theory is great, but how one uses it, ie. some sort of thinking process and strategy might to help matters some.
I , however, would hate to be in a position where I am relying on martingale to pull me out of a slump.
sagefr0g
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errhh, even more interesting imho, i mean the idea of say going cave diving to where yeah man you are gonna be sure this plan is gonna work, sorta thing!!gamblingghost said:
no martingale in that plan! just each segment of the plan is yeah risky but also positive ev each stroke of the way, i should imagine.:cool2:
gamblingghost
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There is no such thing as a safe cave dive. Some are safer than others.sagefr0g said:
Some guys go where I will never go.. They are pioneers. They are braver
than me. As in casino gambling. However, I dive a cave I am familiar with, and martingale seems soooooo dangerous to me. neg betting,,,, ugh I dont' like it....
I HAVE met a few martingale players who had quit their jobs in order to employ their system as a full-time job. One of them was actually a CEO of his own company before he became a gambler.Machinist said:
All you have to do is to go visit one of the homeless shelters in Las Vegas if you wish to speak with them. Maybe if you're lucky they'll reveal some of their secrets to you.
gamblingghost
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People who overbet their bankroll are a dime a dozen. Especially CC.Sucker said:
Should I or should I not get into these threads.
I seldom give Sonny credit for anything but I must admit the way he work this section is correct. Why, I would even commend him for the tolerance he has shown to uneducated persons.
The mod on this site is what makes this the premier site for BJ.
I seldom give Sonny credit for anything but I must admit the way he work this section is correct. Why, I would even commend him for the tolerance he has shown to uneducated persons.
The mod on this site is what makes this the premier site for BJ.
psyduck
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How do you make sense of this:Mr. T said:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=7109
It seems to me discussion of progressions is allowed.
blackjacktilt
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No no no
Progression might work for a session or two and you might have fun in the SHORT TERM. If you like losing money and having "fun" while doing so, cool.
With this being an advantage player website, you cannot preach this garbage without expecting to be shot down.
Sorry, progression systems will not consistently make you money, and if someone tells you they win all the time using these garbage systems, they are lying.
Just learn how to count cards, you people put so much effort in learning these money losing systems, I don't understand it.
Card counting is proven, period.
Long term you will make money.
When you people post things like this, begin by saying, "I like to gamble and have fun and in no way is this for the advantage player"....
At least try and clear that up first instead of preaching how the system will make you money.
Progression might work for a session or two and you might have fun in the SHORT TERM. If you like losing money and having "fun" while doing so, cool.
With this being an advantage player website, you cannot preach this garbage without expecting to be shot down.
Sorry, progression systems will not consistently make you money, and if someone tells you they win all the time using these garbage systems, they are lying.
Just learn how to count cards, you people put so much effort in learning these money losing systems, I don't understand it.
Card counting is proven, period.
Long term you will make money.
When you people post things like this, begin by saying, "I like to gamble and have fun and in no way is this for the advantage player"....
At least try and clear that up first instead of preaching how the system will make you money.
psyduck
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Then how about posting a warning here: Progression systems have been proven wrong repeatedly on this site. Anyone proposing new progression system will be banned immediately!shadroch said:
Seriously, my impression with Picasso is he kept coming up with new progressions. Each time we could show him why it was not as good as he thought.
zengrifter
Banned
And he typically conceded and said in effect, "well, back to the drawing board." No? zgpsyduck said: