roulette

[ColorMeUp]

Not exactly "clocking." But yes, determining an arc where the ball is more probable to land in certain circumstances. If you can get the right quadrant one out of three times, you have an enormous advantage. But as I said it is not easy. Link is http://advantageplayer.com/roulette/index.html



Not if the device you use is your brain But casinos do bar Roulette players.

Interesting. Like others have said, it sounds a lot like dice control to me.

Awhile back I was reading about some electronics built that included a processor, toe switch, and hearing aid. As the wheel spun, the clocker clicked the toe switch each time the ball passed a certain point on the wheel. The processor then figured out which quadrant the ball was likely to land in, and beeped a signal through the hearing aid. Then, the clocker would place a bet just before "no more bets."

But like I said - get caught with that and it's blatant cheating.

 

[ScottH]

I'm afraid I really don't know. We have no data on how successful people are at either in general. And I hate anecdotal evidence.

Well, do you personally know anyone that has been able to do what is taught in the program?

I may try out part 1 just for curiousity sake. But I dont like to waste money, so hopefully there is something to it...

 

[zengrifter]

I have never been convinced dice control works. I don't know for certain - but nothing I've read has convinced me of any advantage and much I've read by those that claim dice control looks very suspicious.

However, I am working on that time travel stock market thingy (Actually, that's not entirely a joke.)

Now we've gone from roullette to voodoo IN THE WRONG FORUM! Anyway - two thoughts I have is that:

1. Roulette prediction is made a little easier because the ball at MOST wheels will typically fall from the same spot on the stator-track. This is due to most wheels being slightly off-level.

2. Scott's time-travel is entirely feasible from a quantum universe/meditation sense because past-present-future are simultaneous events.

zg

 

[bluewhale]

i'm not entirely convinced roulette can be beat, for one thing, the kind of variation you'd be dealing with would be much higher than blackjack, and you wouldn't be able to run sims, so you'd have to go with empirical evidence (ie. ppl doing it for long periods of time. here i'm talking about beating roulette mentally ofcourse.... beating it using computers is a whole other issue.

secondly, sure you can reduce the house edge.... but the big diff. between roulette and BJ is that the house edge in roulette is over 10 times greater (>5% for american roulette!!!), so in order to beat the game you would have to first beat that enormous edge, and then some.

 

[Cass]

Norm you need to teach me how to beat the european roulette wheel At the Mirage. about half the time it seemed to either land on 36 red or 15 black. I want to make them real sorry for flat betting me at blackjack!!

 

[supercoolmancool]

Zengrifter,
I know we have been over this 1 million times, but do you think the wheel can be beaten with remote viewing? I still have my RV tapes. Is it worth another shot?

 

[QFIT]

I don't think there is any question that Roulette can be beaten with a computer. Clearly illegal for very good reason. The question is - can it be beaten with a human brain. I was extremely skeptical at first; but was at least convinced to the point of developing software. Something I have not been convinced of for Craps.

As far as European versus American rules – oddly it makes little difference. The advantage can be so great, the difference is not a large impediment. What matters is the dealer, the wheel, and the expertise of the player.

But make no mistake this is an advanced AP method. If you haven’t mastered BJ, I would not try this as an alternative.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I don't think there is any question that Roulette can be beaten with a computer. Clearly illegal for very good reason. The question is - can it be beaten with a human brain. I was extremely skeptical at first; but was at least convinced to the point of developing software. Something I have not been convinced of for Craps.

As far as European versus American rules – oddly it makes little difference. The advantage can be so great, the difference is not a large impediment. What matters is the dealer, the wheel, and the expertise of the player.

But make no mistake this is an advanced AP method. If you haven’t mastered BJ, I would not try this as an alternative.

The way I see roulette AP is that it's probably like hitting Major League pitching. About one man in a thousand has enough innate ability to do it, but it is extremely profitable if you can.

 

[QFIT]

The way I see roulette AP is that it's probably like hitting Major League pitching. About one man in a thousand has enough innate ability to do it, but it is extremely profitable if you can.

Major League pitching is bit of a stretch If dice control is possible at all; I think it's harder than roulette. In Roulette you don't need control. You need a dealer and a wheel. And they practice all day. And the dealer need not always throw at the same speed and the wheel need not be biased. But, you need to determine speed. That's what Larry's advanced system is about. As for 1 out of n players with inate ability. I don't know n for Roulette or BJ. I think n for Craps is out of bounds considering the comments by one known for great skill at BJ.

 

[supercoolmancool]

You could try it yourself and let us all know how it goes.

 

[checkmaterob]

The game of roulette is not beatable. It is strictly a game of chance, with the odds against you. You can not gain an advantage by playing roulette. What you can beat is the the wheel, the table, the ball, etc. You are not playing to beat the game, you are playing to beat the physical conditions of that particular table/wheel that the game of roulette is being played on in a land casino.

Each table is different, each wheel is different, albeit very slightly as they are meant to be standard. If you study one table for hours, days, weeks, and record the thousands of results, input it into a computer program that will appropriately analyze the data, you will see that some wheels favour certain number/sections more frequently. This is due to physical flaws in the table or wheel. Obviously you will need a large amount of data to see if there are such patterns and this is quite time consuming so not very plausable to the vast majority, although it has been done. It was done by an Italian family 10 years ago, if anyone is interested I will look up the name of the family. Long story short, the guy gathered information about a particular wheel, computer predicted certain numbers/sections to be favoured, computer was right, family made just over $1,000,000 USD then stopped because the father had some health issues.

Another method that has been tried at a casino is bringing the computer into the casino with you and you feed it information through a toe switch. Yes, that has been done unsuccessfully. The people that tried this had too many computer errors and the group fell apart. Could it possibly be done successfully? Sure, why not, people could be doing it now, and some probably are.

Those two methods are aided with computers. Theoretically, a person could beat the table/wheel themselves if they can perform the complex calculations. It is not as if they have to do some insane calculation right then and there before the betting period is taken away. They can gather the results, bring them home, and figure out if the ball is will be more likely to land on certain numbers/sections more than others. It seems people are confusing this idea of beating the wheel with predicting where the ball will land in each spin. Do you see the difference? One way is figuring out if the ball will land on certain numbers/sections more often in the long run than others, where the other is trying to calculate the speed of the ball, the speed of the wheel, keeping in mind the weight of the ball, gravity, et cetera and trying to figure out approximately where it will land spin after spin, with all different data for each spin. Both are theoretically possible, I think it would take an extraordinary individual to be able to do the necessary calculations of the latter method in such a short period of time.

Bottom line is that it is possible to beat the wheel/table, not the game. You can do it without any mathematical forte, just a lot of spare time. There are people that have and are putting the edge in their favour through minor defects in the table and the wheel in casinos all over the world.

 

[QFIT]

You could try it yourself and let us all know how it goes.

As I said, I hate anecdotal evidence. I've been telling people for years that their own personal experiences using a 'system' have little meaning. Every progression system scam and money-making scam has loads of quotes always from people like John H from Iowa and George K from California saying they were in debt and found some solution to make them rich. These have no meaning. Which is why you won't find any on my site. And, you won't find any quotes from me about how I much I made. I just don't think such claims have meaning.

 

[checkmaterob]

My appologies, I seem to have overlooked something. What QFIT had stated about the guy's program, "you can beat roulette without any defects in the wheel/table". That is also theoretically true. If you, or a computer, could perform the necessary calculations in time, it is entirely possible. The roulette table follows the same laws as the rest of the universe... the laws of physics. Although, it seems that it would be much more difficult to predict outcomes on an unflawed table/wheel than on a biased table/wheel. And I would say this is beating the ball... not the game.

Rob.

 

[QFIT]

....This is due to physical flaws in the table or wheel....

It is known that table biases exist. However, they are difficult to beat without the aide of a computer at the table except in the small number of cases where the biases are very strong. But, a table/dealer combination can be beaten without a wheel bias. It comes down to the relative speed of the ball and wheel in the last revolutions and a method of determining when to observe and bet. Yes the math is complex. But so is the math behind card counting. You don't need to perform or even know the math to succeed in either. You don't need to know the highly complex math behind pitching a curve ball or even bowling. You need to learn the methodology and practice.

 

[ScottH]

As I said, I hate anecdotal evidence. I've been telling people for years that their own personal experiences using a 'system' have little meaning. Every progression system scam and money-making scam has loads of quotes always from people like John H from Iowa and George K from California saying they were in debt and found some solution to make them rich. These have no meaning. Which is why you won't find any on my site. And, you won't find any quotes from me about how I much I made. I just don't think such claims have meaning.

Personal results in bj are less meaningful because it takes a really long time to be assured of being ahead. You said that by using this roullette prediction techniques that you have a huge advantage. With such a huge advantage there should be basically no chance of having a losing year. Basically, you know if you are good or not, with a huge advantage, you have to win, for you to not win after any decent amount of time would mean you dont really have that big of an advantage.

It's just like when I played in the 3-card poker promotion. Everyone was winning, playing correctly or incorrectly. There were some negative swings, but everyone slowly won more and more chips. The advantage was big enough that you couldn't lose no matter what you did, you just needed to put in the hours and the money came in.

 

[ScottH]

Curiosity just got a little bit more expensive. I bought the very LAST copy at the sale price of 199 dollars. It is now back to the regular 249.

I also scout for AP oppurtunties when buying books/software!