Saw someone get mistakenly Half-Shoed

[moo321]

We call that the swarm sir and it has and will continue to work!

:laugh: You can't bet like that when it's +8!

 

[creeping panther]

Hmmm

Yes, the Cicada method! The cicada is very slow, has no sting and no evasive ability, and it's only evolutionary defense is coming out billions at a time.

Considering psychology, if a casino only gets one counter a week, and the surveillance guy suddenly sees 20 of them at once, he will not believe what he is seeing and no one will believe him if he reports it. At least not for a while.

And if each counter argues and makes a fuss as he is backed off, it could take hours for the security team to deal with them all. Over those hours the rest of the players could do whatever they want. Lots of places this could go, and it would be interesting to see how a store reacts.

You know,,I think I can do that!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh::celebrate

CP

 

[21forme]

Some excellent thoughts there.

You can't overstate how few people in a casino can count and identify a skilled player accurately. This is useful to know. The conventional wisdom is for counters to avoid one another to diffuse attention, but I take the opposite approach. As many counters as possible should fill up a pit and a casino as possible, at the same time. There is likely no more than one skilled observer in the house, and he can't watch us all!

I was once at a lower Strip casino where I saw 4 counters at one table. First, the shift manager shut down the table. Then, he banned each player one by one. The look of the one ploppy at the table was priceless.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I was once at a lower Strip casino where I saw 4 counters at one table. First, the shift manager shut down the table. Then, he banned each player one by one. The look of the one ploppy at the table was priceless.

The way that should have been responded to is the first one to be told he's banned get up and pitch a fit, while the other 3 walk away.

 

[blackjack avenger]

Ooooops

I was once at a lower Strip casino where I saw 4 counters at one table. First, the shift manager shut down the table. Then, he banned each player one by one.

Not at the same table, that's not how to do it.

 

[moo321]

Not at the same table, that's not how to do it.

Depends on what you're up to...

 

[blackjack avenger]

agree

Depends on what you're up to...

However,
I think the term counters was used?
I would think spreading out would be the way to go. If at the same table eating each others cards and easier to monitor.

 

[Midnght Cow]

I agree with the gentleman(?) on this point

Most PBs I know, as well as most FBs and some dual-rates I know, count.

As a matter of fact, I know of a major shop that requires quick countdown of a deck to get a dual-rate position.

 

[aslan]

for every PB that doesn't know what they're doing, there are two PB's that count cards on their off time.

never underestimate your opponent.

Wrong. For every two PB's who count cards in their off time there are 18 who cannot count cards. But the point should be--> you never know when one of the two is in your pit. And, also, some of the others at least recognize tells that prompt them to notify surveillance. You are right-- you should never underestimate your opponent.

 

[moo321]

You are right-- you should never underestimate your opponent.

That's true. I remember I realized one floor was sharp within about 30 seconds. I made some off-handed sports-betting reference, and she started talking point spreads, exotic wager, moneylines, and everything else. I wouldn't want her in my sports book, and I sure wouldn't want her watching me play blackjack!

 

[aslan]

Most PBs I know, as well as most FBs and some dual-rates I know, count.

As a matter of fact, I know of a major shop that requires quick countdown of a deck to get a dual-rate position.

Most PBs I know do not know how to count. I know a major shop where even a supervisor of surveillance personnel does not know how to count.

PBs have numerous duties-- supervising dealers, keeping track of blacks, keeping chip trays adequately filled, rating players, looking for mis-pays, etc. PBs may pride themselves on how easily they can spot a counter, but personally I believe this is all BS. Eyes have told me how incompetent PBs are for ID-ing counters, frequently having them check out harmless ploppies. I do have all the respect in the world for the eye-in-the-sky, if only because one counter can almost always identify another counter, but if the PB does not request them to surveil me, and if they are busy about their many other duties (such as, watching high rollers, surveilling casino employees, working on reports, attending meetings, training, reading, and a host of other things), then I am home free. STILL, my own defensive nature assumes that someone is watching me at all times. I know I waste a lot of time, effort and EV on cover, but if you value longevity as I do, then that's just part of the game. I am not surprised when I hear stories of card counters operating with absolutely no cover and going undetected, while others get backed off almost immediately. It's a crap shoot! (as they say)

 

[blackchipjim]

Mistaken stupidity!

I have seen numerous players dog tossed for what the casino deemed ap moves. Some have even come right out and accused the player of counting? As long as they don't pick on me or give me the eye ball treatment I just mind my own business.

 

[Midnght Cow]

Most PBs I know do not know how to count. I know a major shop where even a supervisor of surveillance personnel does not know how to count.

PBs have numerous duties-- supervising dealers, keeping track of blacks, keeping chip trays adequately filled, rating players, looking for mis-pays, etc. PBs may pride themselves on how easily they can spot a counter, but personally I believe this is all BS. Eyes have told me how incompetent PBs are for ID-ing counters, frequently having them check out harmless ploppies. I do have all the respect in the world for the eye-in-the-sky, if only because one counter can almost always identify another counter, but if the PB does not request them to surveil me, and if they are busy about their many other duties (such as, watching high rollers, surveilling casino employees, working on reports, attending meetings, training, reading, and a host of other things), then I am home free. STILL, my own defensive nature assumes that someone is watching me at all times. I know I waste a lot of time, effort and EV on cover, but if you value longevity as I do, then that's just part of the game. I am not surprised when I hear stories of card counters operating with absolutely no cover and going undetected, while others get backed off almost immediately. It's a crap shoot! (as they say)

Yes, from my experience, the counting ability of FBs and PBs spans a wide range. PBs do have a lot to do, and I would trust the eye to spot a counter before a PB nearly every time. But I do know of many sharp PBs who can quickly spot the difference between an AP and a know-nothing who happens to just randomly spread wildly. However, I also know some dumb-as-a-rock PBs, who, despite being in the game a long time, don't understand BS, let alone AP.

And I similar to you in that I worry about being watched at all times. I've been told I'm too paranoid about it, but it's the way I like to operate.

 

[moo321]

Personally, I've never seen a ploppy get tossed. I have seen them hawking a ploppy who was table hopping and betting table max. Thought it was a BP for a second, but then she made a very incorrect soft double.

 

[paddywhack]

Personally, I've never seen a ploppy get tossed. I have seen them hawking a ploppy who was table hopping and betting table max. Thought it was a BP for a second, but then she made a very incorrect soft double.

Ah, excellent cover play......