Shoe counting
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That is pen dependent. There is no set answer. If they cut off 1 deck there is 1 deck.Sage said:Working on my counting.
How many cards are still in the shoe (6D) when the cut card just disappears under the front top part of the shoe?
That could be a check on the estimation of the decks played and verify the true count vs the running count
Thanks
Sorry, I did not make myself clear enough.
Not the cards behind the cut card, but
the cards in front of the cut card, the cards that
will be played before the round ends.
How may cards still to be played once the cut card goes under the front section that is across the top of the 6 deck shoe.
I don't think that will have anything to do with penetration
Not the cards behind the cut card, but
the cards in front of the cut card, the cards that
will be played before the round ends.
How may cards still to be played once the cut card goes under the front section that is across the top of the 6 deck shoe.
I don't think that will have anything to do with penetration
iCountNTrack
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I still dont understand your question. Can you please rephrase?Sage said:Sorry, I did not make myself clear enough.
Not the cards behind the cut card, but
the cards in front of the cut card, the cards that
will be played before the round ends.
How may cards still to be played once the cut card goes under the front section that is across the top of the 6 deck shoe.
I don't think that will have anything to do with penetration
The cards are placed in the shoe.iCountNTrack said:
You can see where the cut card is.
As cards are removed from the shoe, the cut card moves toward the front of the shoe.
At some point, you can’t see the cut card anymore.
How many cards are left to be dealt?
(OP is assuming all shoes are the same.)
I'll try to expand my question.
I'm at a 6 deck game, the dealer shuffles, puts in the cut card and puts the decks in the shoe. Most of the top of the shoe is open and I can see the very top of the red cut card toward the back of the shoe. As the cards are dealt out, the cut card is moved toward the front of the shoe. The very front of the shoe has a opaque plastic cover that holds the shoe together. The dealer is taking the cards to be played from that area of the shoe. When the cut card just disappears into the opaque front of the shoe, there are still cards to be played. The cut card is close to coming out, however it can no longer be seen.
How may cards will come out after the cut card can no longer be seen in the shoe? (this assumes there is a standard shoe)
I'm at a 6 deck game, the dealer shuffles, puts in the cut card and puts the decks in the shoe. Most of the top of the shoe is open and I can see the very top of the red cut card toward the back of the shoe. As the cards are dealt out, the cut card is moved toward the front of the shoe. The very front of the shoe has a opaque plastic cover that holds the shoe together. The dealer is taking the cards to be played from that area of the shoe. When the cut card just disappears into the opaque front of the shoe, there are still cards to be played. The cut card is close to coming out, however it can no longer be seen.
How may cards will come out after the cut card can no longer be seen in the shoe? (this assumes there is a standard shoe)
aslan
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Canceler answered your question. Not all shoes are alike. Next time you're at the casino, stand behind the players and watch when the cut card disappears and then count the cards dealt until the end of the shoe. You will have your answer for that particular type of shoe.Sage said:
blackjack avenger
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variable
Aslan gave a good suggestion on how to find out for your casino. Casino cards are different in thickness. It's not mandatory to be perfectly accurate, you can't be. If counting don't dwell on this to much.
Aslan gave a good suggestion on how to find out for your casino. Casino cards are different in thickness. It's not mandatory to be perfectly accurate, you can't be. If counting don't dwell on this to much.
Ferretnparrot
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Its definately variable, its best to observes the cut card placement BEFORE the cards are inserted into the shoe, this way, using the discard tray, you can predict when it will come flying out.
You also have to consider what I have dubbed "THE POOFAGE FACTOR" which is that the cards over time get slightly bent and frayed during play, and after several hours what would normally fill 6 decks of height in the discard tray "poofs up" to appear as if its more sometimes 6.5 or 7 decks, so you have to consider this when making index plays and trying to predict when the cut card will fly out and the end of the shoe.
Try to observe it next time, watch the dealer cut off 2 deck of 8 right in front of you, and then watch as the discard rack magically fills to 7 of 8 decks due to the "POOFAGE FACTOR"
You also have to consider what I have dubbed "THE POOFAGE FACTOR" which is that the cards over time get slightly bent and frayed during play, and after several hours what would normally fill 6 decks of height in the discard tray "poofs up" to appear as if its more sometimes 6.5 or 7 decks, so you have to consider this when making index plays and trying to predict when the cut card will fly out and the end of the shoe.
Try to observe it next time, watch the dealer cut off 2 deck of 8 right in front of you, and then watch as the discard rack magically fills to 7 of 8 decks due to the "POOFAGE FACTOR"
AussiePlayer
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Not always an option, if you tried that here, you'd drive about 1000 Km just to find out that the next casino only has CSM's.tthree said:
aslan
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Poker, anyone? :joker: I don't think it's smart to play a poor game just because it's the only game in town. Have I done it? Yes.AussiePlayer said:
That's why I don't think it's a smart thing to do. :grin: If it's beatable, that's another thing, but if your chances are slim and none, isn't that the definition of a ploppy? :fish:
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AussiePlayer
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Agreed, it's the main reason I'm not playing in Aus anymore.aslan said:Poker, anyone? :joker: I don't think it's smart to play a poor game just because it's the only game in town. Have I done it? Yes.